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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:25 pm 
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This is another nice article from Cameron, later I will link it to what we talk about here....
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The Secret To Never Being Rejected by Women\ by Cameron Teone

How To Get Girls Without Ever Being Rejected Again!

Have you ever had a moment where you felt rejected and ashamed? Where there were butterflies in your stomach and you walked away with your head hanging low feeling like you were going to projectile vomit from the shame of being rejected by that girl you liked? You felt like a total loser.

Remember what a piece of shit you felt like? Well, you never have to be rejected ever again. With my new system, you’ll never have that shame.

And if you send me 500 Dollars right now, I’ll share my inner most secrets, only held for my inner-sanctum club members who must sign an affidavit that they’ll never share this information with anyone again.


I bet you have seen that catchy headline in big bold letters before, haven’t ya? Quite frankly, some dating gurus do believe in that. (I’ll get to that later)

So then, how about Never Ever Being Rejected Again?

Guess what?

It’s bullshit.

Yep. Sorry, I’m the one who has to burst that bubble, but you’ve gotta admit you were a bit of a sucker for believing that headline to begin with. Before I discuss the dating aspect of all of this, you’ve got to wonder:

How did our society come to be this way?

Regardless of who you are, somewhere, sometime, you’re going to have to deal with rejection.

I want to share a story...

Several years back, I came across a girl at a house party who was a cocktail waitress. She has just moved to Los Angeles from Las Vegas. She had various tales of working in one of the hottest Casinos in Vegas. However, there was one particular story that shared three different times!
Her claim to fame, the story she liked to repeat, was that while working at the Bellagio casino in Vegas, Matt Damon had hit on her.

“Did you go out with him? What happened?” People curiously wondered. Inquiring minds wanted to know. I mean, it’s motherf**king Matt Damon. Do tell!

To which she proudly and boastfully replied with a particular roar:

“NO way!! He is so not my type”

I know! I am with you! Chances are your initial reactions were similar to mine!

Your initial gut reaction is to think “WTF? Matt Damon wouldn’t use your hair to wipe his ass if he were fresh out of toilet paper after engorging for 3 hours at the Bellagio buffet.”

Then you have to allow cooler heads to prevail and realize that this is a statement born out of insecurity. One that she had to repeat constantly and then mention on top of it that he was not her type made her feel better somehow.

It dawned on me at some point that she received more gratification from having rejected Mr. Damon than had she gone out on a date, (or perhaps just to his room for a shag.) Now, she can be boast about having rejected Matt Damon. A lot of girls may talk about having slept with him, but how many can proudly boast about rejecting him?

Yes, people’s psyche can be a bit screwed up. That’s not the point of this story....

The point is, at the end of the day, Matt Damon didn’t succeed in getting this girl. Really good looking, rich, international movie star with all of his hits in the” Ocean’s 11” and “Jason Bourne” trilogies didn’t get this girl.

Most guys reading this blog are NOT Matt Damon. Well, most guys in the world aren’t in terms of, let’s call it, “Bachelor Eligibility.” Point being, if it can happen to that dude, then it’s going to happen to everyone else as well. The key is: With what perspective do you look at it???

Well, sometimes, I like to speculate. Right about now, I am speculating that what Matt Damon probably did NOT do is run to his suite at that famous Vegas Hotel and order a “Never Be Rejected Again” product by scam–marketers on the Internet.

Trying to eliminate all rejection before ever stepping out is, not only impractical, but it’s a bit shameful. Fact of the matter is there will be times, where for whatever reason, you may be turned down. As I mentioned earlier, it may not even be by a person or a dating situation.

It happens man. You go on a job interview and you don’t get a job offer. You were by far the best candidate and the job went to someone the hiring manager knew personally. A bit of nepotism at work.

It happens. So what? Trying to live life so you can never fail is a weird proposition. Not to mention most of the guys who advocate this type of behavior would never have your back in a fight. I have no respect for that.

The fact of the matter is almost everyone experiences set backs. It’s the resilient who keep pushing forward, and we are talking about far outside the scope of dating here. You see it in business, politics, and sports, everywhere…

It’s extremely prevalent in sports. Many times, sports are a microcosm of life. How many times have you seen a sports team or an athlete fall short only to get back up to try again?

Now, in the dating world, different guys have different methods. I’ve had friends who hand women a business card and if she is interested, she can call them. (There is a way to set this up properly). Even then, they are a lot female card-recipients who’ll never call. Others may say, “I’m going to social event XYZ. Come join us.” She may or may not show.

Is that a straight forward rejection? Perhaps not, but it’s still a “Not all that interested” signal.

What does it mean? Nothing really, outside of at this point in time, for reasons we don’t really know, she is not interested.

In the same manner, YOU may not be interested in a woman. It may be her physical appearance, it may be her personality, or maybe you can’t stand dumb girls. It doesn’t matter. As far as she can tell, you’re not interested in seriously dating her. A random individual could read the above and says, “No duh. That’s common sense.“ He’d be right. It is common sense, and yet that seems to elude so many who seem to come down with a serious case of cognitive dissonance when it comes to dating and women. Their logical circuitry is completely overwhelmed by their emotional zeal to discover a new method where it can lessen the burden of rejection.

No one really likes rejection. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. Part of it is life experience, and part of it is how your brain processes information

People are writing these (Never Be Rejected Again) headlines are

Full of shit
Assuming that you’re a total pussy
That you are a sucker who’ll believe anything.
They might as well sell you a book/dvd on how to contact the tooth fairy and Santa Clause.

Some girls are not going to be interested for a wide variety of reasons. Instead of working on becoming more attractive by being more appealing engaging and interesting in general, men, get lost in the magical kingdom of trying to never be rejected again.
Now, let's make some connections to what we talk about here...

- Remember 'The Environmental Factors' (from The Kidd's article)?
if your goal is to date loads of women with as little rejections as possible (because it's impossible to not get rejected at all) and you live in a small town where the men\women ratio is bad for you OR
you live in a place like Vegas where you compete with guys who have much more resources than you (and most girls in that area are mostly about money and status when it comes to dating\sleeping with a guy) then you should consider relocating (if dating loads of women is your goal...). If you only want a girlfriend you can still get one no matter where you are, but remember that if most girls in your area are mostly about money and status when it comes to dating\sleeping with a guy (and you don't have lots of money and status) you may have to deal with a lot of rejections before you find that girl (or maybe not... if you are lucky you may approach 6 women and woman number 6 will be the one who you happen to be her type and she is not into money and status).

- The Inner work we talk about so much in here. 'becoming your own best friend' first before putting all your energy into finding girls. Fix the inside before you search outside.

- Since most of the fear from rejections comes from brainwashing that women are so sweet and perfect, you must realize that there is nothing special about women. That means read 'The Treasure Chest' The Kidd's articles and the books we mentioned on the Treasure Chest (like Esther's books).
Recently Star_Above also mentioned Dick Masterson's stuff.

- Keep working on maximizing your potential (front, clout, grooming Style, niche edge and develop the qualities you have that make you unique). This way more women will be jocking you and you will experience less rejections...and when you do: it will bother you less because you will know that you have a lot to offer so if some girls are not interested- others will be...
Matt Damon obviously doesn't care so much if that girl rejected him because he knows he has many options (Of course most people will not be movie stars and won't have his status but it's just an analogy- the more you maximize your potential in your niche edge- the more options you will have).

now here is a little story from me...

I'm now dating a new girl.

before I started dating her if you remember the story that I shared:

I was dating a girl (which I thought was a keeper), then she dumped me for a rich guy- who later dumped her - and later she called me again and wanted us to try again (I didn't want to, of course...)

After that girl I started hunting\fishing again. I got rejected by 6 girls and thought I was losing my touch or something. Then I realized that it wasn't my touch- attraction is not something you have total control over (just like a job interview)- you can show up, be the best you can be- and then it's up to them- if they think you are their best option at this point in time they will go with you- if not:
they will search for someone else....

I got rejected by 4 more girls and then with girl number 11 it worked out.

I don't think this girl is a keeper but to be honest: after The Kidd's recent story I have stopped searching for keepers. I just live and enjoy the moment and whatever happens will happen.

I'm just focusing on myself, my goals and maximizing my potential. Dating is fun but not a goal and I'm not in search of keepers. The search and work I'm doing is on 'me': finding my niche edge and how to become the best I can be.

for the full article by Cameron Teone:

http://attractwomenanywhere.com/blog/20 ... men-again/

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:45 pm 
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Sniper wrote:
I got rejected by 6 girls
Sniper wrote:
I got rejected by 4 more girls
Herein lies the issue.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:00 pm 
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peregrinus wrote:
Sniper wrote:
I got rejected by 6 girls
Sniper wrote:
I got rejected by 4 more girls
Herein lies the issue.
sorry I don't get it Grinus :geek:

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:26 pm 
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Sniper wrote:
peregrinus wrote:
Sniper wrote:
I got rejected by 6 girls
Sniper wrote:
I got rejected by 4 more girls
Herein lies the issue.
sorry I don't get it Grinus :geek:
Keeping score my man.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:14 pm 
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Flow83 wrote:
Keeping score my man.
No.

The motivations, and the observation skill.

Where's the observation abilities so much talked here?
How much do you need to convince a willing buyer, to actually buy you something they want? You just have to give them the space to actually make the decision.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:41 pm 
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Dali wrote:
Flow83 wrote:
Keeping score my man.
No.

The motivations, and the observation skill.

Where's the observation abilities so much talked here?
How much do you need to convince a willing buyer, to actually buy you something they want? You just have to give them the space to actually make the decision.
Dig it - that's a whole other much deeper topic (and probably much more important) than keeping score :)

However, if you're going to go for the very direct, really bold - "i just met but let's get out of here type of vibe" which allows for a straight up "rejection" then imho it serves you best to be completely non-score-keeping about it. Personally I don't dig that approach, and it's totally coming from a certain place, but I won't knock a guy for trying it here and there!

"never get rejected again" depends on what you mean. If you are conversing, feeling the vibe, and as you described it giving the space for her to decide (this is what I like too, I like that description of it) - you can get "rejected" in the sense that they don't go for it, but I've never had a situation like this end with a "NO" type of rejection.

And in fact in these scenarios it sometimes happens that they will reach out to you or initiate something WAY later, even weeks/months. Sometimes it's like placing a seed that can sprout instantly, or way later.. but you definitely don't sit there watering them etc. etc.

For me it depends on how you interpret "rejected." -- If you mean you just had an interaction and it didn't lead to sex/dating, well that's of course not something you can ever do w/ 100% and would be silly. But I don't really see much reason for things to get to a straight up "sorry, i'm not interested" if you're feeling the energy and being relaxed.

In either case, I still don't recommend keeping # track of how many went one way and how many didn't -- i don't think it's necessary to improve and can just create a sense of stress or 'keeping stats' on yourself judging yourself by them.

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good points Flow and Dali,

it's true, up till now I was always looking\observing at signs of interest before I made my move and it was working great (not many rejections). Now I suddenly got 'lazy' and started to approach without observing and kept track of my success rates.

It's more PUA style and not a good way of doing things. I don't know why I suddenly got 'lazy' but on the other hand I did learn something from this:

I saw that rejections didn't bother me as much as they used to. It wasn't fun to get rejected but I remember that back in my PUA days I used to get very depressed about rejections and now it didn't bother me as much anymore.

but yes, it's not a good way of doing things- better to go old school - observations and etc....

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I don't find rejection fazing, except maybe slight twinges.

It's one of those things like when you play a hand in poker, where you either won or lost lots of money.
You study it, compare it with others...but at the end of the day chance and variables that you are powerless over come into play.

Maybe you weren't rich enough, maybe you made her feel insecure etc...at the end of the day I'm not going to give their judgements much weight.

I'm pretty lazy too and won't spend energy on something that doesn't provide a good return on my time. Watched Spartacus and Game of Thrones the other day and it provided a realization as to how much caring about relationships, connection and all that other bullshit is women's domain. Needing it and caring about it is about as weak as you can get. :|

Men in those times, focused on men stuff.

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Great point about men doing man stuff.

One thing I've noticed is that the more in touch I get with myself, and my own body, it's turned more into feeling the energy type of thing and the responses just happen, as opposed to looking for signs and then mentally responding to them.

However some guys seem to really play a game of chess w it- analyze her every move and so on - as long as whatever you are doing works for you and you enjoy it. I think some personality types might enjoy that, but I know I don't !!

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Flow83 wrote:
However some guys seem to really play a game of chess w it- analyze her every move and so on - as long as whatever you are doing works for you and you enjoy it. I think some personality types might enjoy that, but I know I don't !!
Yeah but it's just light hearted game, certain types of minds really enjoy that strategic component to social interaction.

Women have much more at stake than the average guy once you level the playing field. Let them analyze your every move and try to figure you out.

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that's a great mindset Morph,

and BTW I wasn't going that deep with a 'magnifying glass' to try and analyze every move. Observations are more general with a panoramic view + using your gut.

for example, let's observe this...
looks like the right one is really into him:



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Snipes, where do you find these pictures?

LOL, they are hilarious! :lol: :mrgreen:

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Let them analyze your every move and try to figure you out.
More fun, less work, better results in my experience. Significantly.

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I learned it from Kidd. Gotta give credit where credit is due :)

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Morpheus wrote:
I learned it from Kidd. Gotta give credit where credit is due :)
By Jove I think he's GOT IT! :mrgreen:

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Yup, everybody has girls that aren't into them, errrrrbody..... so there ain't shit wrong with you. And trying to analyze the mind of some dumb bitch on why she doesn't want you and how to change it is a complete waste of time, you have better things to do, like fuck the bitches that do want you.

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you have better things to do, like fuck the bitches that do want you.
And play Xbox :mrgreen:

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Morpheus wrote:
And play Xbox :mrgreen:
Lol word!

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Star_Above wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
And play Xbox :mrgreen:
Lol word!
Play the new Crysis yet?

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Like everything in the dating game... it's all about how you think, because all your actions stem from your thoughts. I find that the best mindset for approaching women is (drum roll please)...

Expecting affection, but accepting rejection.

you also might want to look at the situation from the perspective of the buyer, not the seller... this will cause her to qualify herself since you are looking for something more than just "getting sex"

finally, the last mindset that helps is seeing sex as a gift you give to women, instead of something you get from them.

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