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Through discovering this forum and real life observations i have came to a conclusion that alot of woman are power hungry creatures.Now one thing i am curious about is do women really prefer having power over getting fucked really good because if they drop there bullshit than they could be alot happier getting dick..I mean wouldn't your life be happier if you were getting fucked nearly everyday.It puzzles me as too why they choose going this route especially at clubs when they have an oppurtunity to take a guy home and get fucked(This makes more logical sense to me)..I mean you would think that having orgasms would make them happier than playing this power game.

They choose it because they can. And you are not a woman.

And that's not a question. You answered yourself, it's power. Big word coming...

This are the big hands of the ego.



Mostly in the clubs the bitchy ones go vaccum like of attention, and it's their weekly quota for raising their self steem, because they don't know how to generate it internally, and always seek it externaly, validation and ego gratification.

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Simple, they base their happiness of what other women think is good. Therefore since the majority of women think power games are cool that's what they do. They're not very good at independent thought.

They're not tuned into the mindset we have here, it's like two different radio stations.

Women NEED attention, they have to have it. Even when your thinking shit, she doesn't care. If 10 other guys weren't all over her, she'd lose her shit.

You have the advantage in that you can live without it.

EDIT: It's almost a cruel joke in that they can have so much power and lose it so quickly.

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It's a rather unfortunate side effect of basing your power on other people.

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I agree, in the way that they try to go about it.

I don't think their need for attention is inherently bad, the way they go about it though. I don't put up with.

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This is one of the best posts I've read in recent memory. Bravo, sir.

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

One woman I talked to (30 yr old and nerd-hot) once said 'sex, to me, is like riding a bicycle'. I had to shake my head at that. She was coincidentally also wondering why her relationships were failing.

In my pua days, i've gone and straight up offered multiple orgasms to women. They always laughed me off. This led me to question a lot of pua beliefs (and the 'women are desperate for good sex' trope).

If you watch a lot of porn, you'll notice how close to orgasm women can get and still take it or leave it and will move on to the next scene/position or just pretend like they just had one (and these are women who are being paid to have sex). Only when they get really close do they start needing to come, and generally go murderously wild at that stage.

I don't think it's just ego either. Men debase their own ego and self-esteem to (try to) get laid all the time. Imo, the reason is biological, linked to testosterone levels and women's ovulation cycles: http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/women-sex/

just to add a diferent perspective:

Women play games but some of those games consist on doing something to make you happy or whatever if it is in front of other males or women the risk is higher, the way you react is what makes them lose power and it is what they wanted. (sometimes they look like guerrilla groups).

We are so goal oriented in a more simple, direct way. Our directive is 'win' the girl, have sex with her, get the orgasm, feel the sense of accomplishment/quiet. It's love of sports in a nutshell, break the obstacles, score the touch down, celebrate, sleep. Then leave me alone. Tragically this is the only way so many men ever feel a second of relief from the monkey-mind, sex drive etc because they don't do or aren't aware of good practice. Add ego validation, 'being a man,' and it's no wonder guys run around chopping their balls off hoping it will result in the end goal of sex.

I just had a good conversation about this with a mentor of mine on this topic, the way as you say "women want sex just as much" is touted. The way he said it, which sums it up to me is sex for them is not the goal in and of itself which it is for most men. It is part of a whole dynamic for them with a very different and much less concrete 'end goal.'

What Morpheus said - the fact that you as a man have the capacity to feel secure/content regardless of external conditions is indeed the source of power is right on the money. That is also based on biology.

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@Flow83, to me it sounds like you are saying women have 'nobler' goals, while men have 'baser' physical goals. I think that's pedestalizing. Women's goals are just different (security provisioning, good genetic material). In a way, focussed as it is on material gain (rather than physical), I think women's goals are baser than ours. It is definitely more pragmatic and not in any way spiritual/mystical.

If women didn't have tits ass and vaginas, I really dont have a reason to even talk to them (outside of work/business). Pretending otherwise has not helped me in anyway in the past.

Not sure where I said anything suggesting theirs was more noble or spiritual, because i don't think it is, at ALL -- i only said that their goal was not sex in and of itself.

The first post was basically why wouldn't women just want to get a guy every night, since they can, and get laid? If sex was a goal in and of itself and they were wired like us, that'd be happening more or less constantly.

My personal take is that it is mostly about security/safety and that is biological (carry the babies etc) - that is easily as base as ours. It's just more 'abstract' in the sense that you don't just 'get' safety/security as tangible result with a beginning and end like an orgasm -- have sex, sex done, mission accomplished, but is based on a relationship and dynamics. So when I say ours is more simple, that is not a value judgement, it's just a more direct goal-- like hunting, building a house or anything else - here's the thing, do it. "Raise a kid" on the other hand is not like that, it's more abstract and built on relationship etc. etc. Thus sex for women could also be used for straight up manipulation (the opposite of 'noble'), or in a more 'healthy' way maintaining the relationship bond - but even that can be purely out of biological imperative and not based on anything spiritual.

I don't believe anything is 100% black and white but that the basic nature of things is what runs the show. That can be used, ignored, manipulated, acknowledged, abused etc in all sorts of ways. Noble and such is a matter of individual take on what one chooses to do with this IMHO. The main thing is to not live in delusional bullshit, as a huge part of society is built around exploiting our nature and twisting it -- once you see what is really going and not believing in disney ideals, in touch with your own nature then whatever you do with that or however you twist things for your own benefit or not is your call!

PS- sure there is more than plenty of women who will go out for a night mainly to have sex and that's what they want for the time, not an argument against that but it's not the bigger picture.

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BTW - the 'win the girl so i can get some sex and feel like a man' -- i consider that one of those things that is blown WAY out of proportion.. maybe some of that in our nature but i'm referring to an out of whack state of affairs, not some type of weakness in the makeup etc. - it's out of trying to fill a void that doesn't really exist except being conditioned to believe it exists.

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This is the biggest problem i am having so far being content regardless without women..Yeah i haven't died from not getting laid in 6 months but i haven't exactly been content either..I try to occupy myself like doing things alone such bowling,movie theatre, clubs my desire for women hasn't changed that much. Just being honest here.

Good for you man for being honest and yes, it's not a quick fix thus the push-up analogy, and it's not about trying to bullshit yourself into saying "whatever man, I don't care" when the truth is you care and you know it. Start asking why you care and facing the answers with the same honesty.

It's always something deeper than the sex itself, otherwise you'd just whack off or get a prostitute and you'd be done.

Ask yourself some things along the lines of "what feeling would I get from hooking up with a woman" -- is it really the sex causing that feeling or what you make it mean? "What does it mean about me if I'm not getting laid" -- you will find a lot of false premises there.

Never give all the power away to the sex drive, that you can satisfy easily, dig deep into what it all means to you and noone else can give you that answer, not always as pleasant but it's definitely digging deeper than only trying to distract yourself... which can be exhausting.

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It's not about not desiring women...it's about understanding the behind the scenes dynamics to give you the upper hand when dealing with women.

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Even if you stopped desiring, that wouldn't necessarily give you knowledge, insight or skill like our man here.

It's like thinking you would be good at playing an instrument simply because you don't care about being able to play it.. there's a weird mentality out there around the 'indifference with women' idea it seems to me.

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Lets start here.
1)what feeling would I get from hooking up with a woman?
I want her to want to fuck me.I understand like the Kidd said from a rational level that its not that you want to fuck them,it's that you want them to want to fuck you.I understand this from a rational level, the logical answer would be to stop wanting them to want to fuck you.I tell myself this over and over stop wanting them to want to fuck me.This is where it gets tricky from me because despite the awareness being there, i haven't been able to remove the "stop wanting wanting them to want to fuck me" desire.In buddhism they say awareness is the first step and that once you are aware of something it will lose its power but in this case even when i try to be aware of it still is there.It hasn't dissolved.I thought that in mindfulness when you are aware of something it lose its grip over you, but for some reason in my case it hasn't
What does it mean about me if I'm not getting laid?
It really hurts, the other day i had a lady tell me that you are a good looking guy and i am suprised that woman are not chasing you.I feel like i am wasting my good looks.People around you see that you have no woman and are online reading self help stuff on something that should be natural.

Lets start here.
1)what feeling would I get from hooking up with a woman?
I want her to want to fuck me.I understand like the Kidd said from a rational level that its not that you want to fuck them,it's that you want them to want to fuck you.I understand this from a rational level, the logical answer would be to stop wanting them to want to fuck you.I tell myself this over and over stop wanting them to want to fuck me.This is where it gets tricky for me because despite the awareness being there, i haven't been able to remove the "stop wanting wanting them to want to fuck me" desire.In buddhism they say awareness is the first step and that once you are aware of something it will lose its power but in this case even when i try to be aware of it still is there.It hasn't dissolved.I thought that in mindfulness when you are aware of something it lose its grip over you, but for some reason in my case it hasn't
What does it mean about me if I'm not getting laid?
It really hurts, the other day i had a lady tell me that you are a good looking guy and i am suprised that woman are not chasing you.I feel like i am wasting my good looks especially when guys who are not good looking are having no problems.People around you see that you have no woman and are online reading self help stuff on something that should be natural.I go to the club trying to be this pimp tight character saying look at me i am not gonna get rejected tonight because i won't be one of the 10 guys she rejects.I won I won.But wait a minute, at the end of the night i am laying in my bed with my dick in my hand.What did i accomplish?showing a woman that i am not easy?wait a minute she already did it to 10 guys so what damage have i done?nothing

Hey man, I sent you a PM - but one of the most important things is to not think of this as trying to stop the desire and trying to fight against caring.

This is what is meant by resist = persist. By taking an adversarial stance against your own desire to be accepted/found attractive/etc (which is natural) the more you fight it the more it persists. It is more about changing your relationship to it, allowing yourself to feel it with no resistance and get past the mental story that kicks in behind it, which is a lifetime of shit you have decided this all means about yourself.

One of the misquoted things of all time is that Buddha said "desire is the cause of suffering." -- it is ATTACHMENT TO desire that is the cause of suffering. The actual desire arising, and leaving, which they do, is not a problem.

There are many levels of depth to awareness. You are now seeing that the desire is there which is great but there is a whole set of assumptions now wrapped up in it that you are not aware of yet, including the idea that once you see it is supposed to go away.

Don't believe anything - question everything, ESPECIALLY the stuff from your own mind.

Welcome the ugly stuff about it and stare it right in the face, question it's validity, question the assumptions behind. Don't just keep saying "i'm the man" affirmations and trying not to feel what you're feeling. Feel into your body and gut more in these situations and not the thoughts about it as your gut/balls are always present and don't have any of the bullshit attached to them

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