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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:45 am 
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Thought I would describe a situation i'm in the middle of, since it seems to illustrate some of the things talked about on this forum. Unfortunately, I am really careful about maintaining my anonymity, since I have already overheard a couple guys at a local mall repeat a phrase that is ALL OVER Kidd!!'s Pimposophies, yada yada yada.... So sorry if I don't go into specifics, as I am sure they would be helpful, but hopefully this situation will still be instructive anyway...

So anyway, these days I freelance. In the industry I currently freelance in, a very experienced guy started an endeavor with a few other equally seasoned guys, and brought in a woman who, although slightly less experienced than they are, is equally talented and respected. They have all come across me (and some worked with me) before, and recognise that, although I am not quite as old or experienced as they are (even the woman), my raw talent and dedication has made me, for all intents and purposes, in their league (all of them have always expressed interest in working with me before). They therefore asked me to participate (equal work and pay). No contracts or commitments - this is just a (temporary) dream team that this guy put together for fun and a little profit (not much - the idea is to have some fun with a team like this).

What I have observed is that, from the initial stages the woman has regularily turned to me for guidance (obviously has respect for me even though I am younger and less experienced; wonder why :roll: ). EVERY TIME I open my mouth to give her direction, the three other guys immediately pipe up "let's do it her way". This despite the fact that "her way" changes EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING. I recognise that she is latching onto me to give her some consistency; in light of what has been happening, it speaks volumes about (and I give her credit for) the accuracy of her instincts towards me. Bear in mind that I am no "alpha male", but in most cases I tend to master any field of endeavor (whether professional or just for kicks - there have been a number of them) that I decide to enter, such as this one.

I was fighting them (the other guys) on this at first, but then decided that it would be useful to observe this situation and see how it plays out. (This may be a 'dream team', but it's only a temporary situation anyway, and makes no significant difference to my future). Well, true to form, she has been slowly taking over the team (the one who started this team basically rolled over and handed the reigns to her), and her decisions have been lousy (not congruent with the overall character of the team, which in the initial stages was cohesive because of a magical chemistry between all of us). Also, she has been refusing clients for some pretty frivolous reasons, and the guy who started this team just shrugs and says: "Well, that's just how women are." I predict that this team will soon dissolve out of mutual dissatisfaction and apathy with the direction it is taking.

Haha - one of the other guys once sat down next to me after a meeting that she couldn't make it to, and proceeded to ask me if I noticed how smoothly the meeting went without her. I wanted to say "What do you expect, you fucking idiot? Every time I try to give her a sense of direction WHICH SHE IS ASKING FOR, you blind-ass fucknuggets shoot me down." But for the sake of science (and my continued entertainment) I kept my mouth shut.

Like I said, this is no way affects my future or my reputation (the guy that formed this team needs it, though), so it is no risk to me; also, although in the past, I would have gotten stressed over the possible dissolving of such a unique combinition of minds, talents, & personalities, I am somehow not so attached (well, sometimes a little pissed, but nothing major). I am not saying that I am in some kind of state of 'Zen apathy' or something, I just want to see how this plays out; it's one thing to read and understand what's on this forum, but nothing cements the lesson like seeing it first-hand; and unlike other situations I may be involved with in the future, this will cost me very little (shit, you can't pay enough for experience like this). One day I may want to form my own little team, and the lessons learned here will be invaluable.

If anyone is interested in updates as the situation progresses, let me know, and I will let you know what happens (provided I can do so without giving away too much detail).

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:56 am 
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Oh hell ya...keep this shit COMIN'! :twisted:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:05 am 
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OK 8-)

I'll only post when something worthy of note happens (duh!), so the updates may be slow in coming, but i'll keep you informed.

My God, men (NOT "Men") are such pussies.....

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roark wrote:
OK 8-)

I'll only post when something worthy of note happens (duh!), so the updates may be slow in coming, but i'll keep you informed.

My God, men (NOT "Men") are such pussies.....
How long do you foresee this "Dream Team" lasting before it's inevitable dissolution? :geek:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:17 am 
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It's hard to say; I would normally say no more than 6 months, BUT:

- we don't do projects that often (just for fun), and therefore the income is so non-critical for each of us that the dissolution may be delayed as a result.
- for the same reason, we don't meet often, so it may take longer for the guys to get fed up.

So it's difficult to make wagers with this one.

You'd be interested to note: this woman has turned down work that would benefit the guys because "it don't feel right", but I have noticed that she gets work (for her own company) with a client that I know would be profitable for us to work for. The other guys know this too :lol: .

This shit is so like marriage between a 'hoe' and a 'symp' that it ain't funny :lol: ......

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roark wrote:
It's hard to say; I would normally say no more than 6 months, BUT:

- we don't do projects that often (just for fun), and therefore the income is so non-critical for each of us that the dissolution may be delayed as a result.
- for the same reason, we don't meet often, so it may take longer for the guys to get fed up.

So it's difficult to make wagers with this one.

You'd be interested to note: this woman has turned down work that would benefit the guys because "it don't feel right", but I have noticed that she gets work (for her own company) with a client that I know would be profitable for us to work for. The other guys know this too :lol: .

This shit is so like marriage between a 'hoe' and a 'symp' that it ain't funny :lol: ......
Ugh so awful lol...but like a freshly pulled tooth, you just can't keep your tongue out of that crater! :twisted:

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Fascinating read roark.

An interesting subject for a science and observation experiment, as you have realized.
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I just want to see how this plays out; it's one thing to read and understand what's on this forum, but nothing cements the lesson like seeing it first-hand; and unlike other situations I may be involved with in the future, this will cost me very little (shit, you can't pay enough for experience like this). One day I may want to form my own little team, and the lessons learned here will be invaluable.
^^ THIS

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couldn't agree more. I was going to write similar piece but you did it already. To me bottom line is: I don't want to work with women and most definetely I don't want my boss to be a woman. Never ever.

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rekieter wrote:
couldn't agree more. I was going to write similar piece but you did it already. To me bottom line is: I don't want to work with women and most definetely I don't want my boss to be a woman. Never ever.
oh?

Why not?

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rekieter wrote:
couldn't agree more. I was going to write similar piece but you did it already. To me bottom line is: I don't want to work with women and most definetely I don't want my boss to be a woman. Never ever.
You're joking, right? :lol:

Oh wait...you're not? :|

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:14 pm 
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Ima gonna give him some time to come up with the answer on his own, but I am sooooooo biting my tongue right now!

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peregrinus wrote:
rekieter wrote:
couldn't agree more. I was going to write similar piece but you did it already. To me bottom line is: I don't want to work with women and most definetely I don't want my boss to be a woman. Never ever.
oh?

Why not?
well in my field there's no for personal games etc, things have to be done quickly and precisely. Regarding the female boss - I had two and that is enough for me.

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rekieter wrote:
peregrinus wrote:
rekieter wrote:
couldn't agree more. I was going to write similar piece but you did it already. To me bottom line is: I don't want to work with women and most definetely I don't want my boss to be a woman. Never ever.
oh?

Why not?
well in my field there's no for personal games etc, things have to be done quickly and precisely. Regarding the female boss - I had two and that is enough for me.
I prefer working for/with females IN MOST CASES...usually they jock me so I can get away with doing the bare minimum in most cases. The key, tho, is no matter how subtle (subconscious) or overt (conscious) their flirting is, you must NEVER acknowledge it. I mean you can 'mirror' their subconscious advances all day long, but never come out and let them know that you know that there is something 'there' between you two. The moment you do, a timer starts...and if you don't follow thru with fucking the bitch within a certain time period...well, like they say...Hell has no wrath like a woman scorned. :geek:

Learned this lesson first hand when I was overseas...remind me to share that story sometime. 8-)

Now...not saying you should NEVER fuck chicks you work with...those are usually the easiest ones to bed...but if you do, make sure the contract is AIRTIGHT and understand the consequences should something go awry...ESPECIALLY if they have a significant other. Also, do not initiate overt flirting in the workplace...let observation and analyzation lead you to your prey. :ugeek:

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Regarding the professional side of it, which can be a humongous pain in the ass, which I think is what rekieter is alluding to, here goes (rubbing hands together):

Although i'm new to this path, my recent experiences (not just in the situation I described in this thread) can be extrapolated on to show (not so much show, but hint) that, any time I have a female boss, the following caveat would apply:

If I work hard, intelligently, make full use of my talents, and also conduct my affairs with integrity and honesty, and refuse to compromise them, while still being flexible enough to see other viewpoints/pathways that may be pointed out to me (NOTE: this last bit is the yin within my yang and requires awareness of my ego), then eventually, emotionally speaking (and maybe other ways too) I will HER boss. She will rely on me as an anchor. This is of course dependent on me remaining emotionally unperturbed by any 'flailing' or 'resisting' on her part. (Although I am starting to suspect that even a few slight slip-ups in this regard will, in most cases, be overlooked).

If you look at my opening thread, you will see little hints of this have already emerged.

This may not, however, be visible enough for anyone else in the room (especially the males) to see. Or in some cases, it may.....

Corrections/clarifications/expansion by the more experienced would be most welcome.

Edit: Many will be thinking "yeah but where is the reward for all this shit?" I would say that she will find her own way to reward you (doesn't have to be sexual either). In the situation that I describe in this thread, the woman is always going out of her way to make sure that all my expenses are being taken care of. And this even though I am deliberately not being as 'pimp tight' as I am itching to be, for the sake of observation....

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And thanks for that post, Kidd!! Very insightful.

I would love you to post that story when you get a chance.

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UPDATE:

Well, due to being surrounded by pussies masquerading as men, this woman continues to go insane......

Recently, as we were preparing an assignment for a client, she decides to make some radical changes at the last minute. Although I wanted to remain neutral so that I could just observe the dynamics of this situation, I felt I had to speak up, since NONE of the other guys did; so I told her that it was unwise to make such drastic changes at the last minute, which would involve a lot of preparation on our parts, and would invariably have a negative impact on the quality of our assignment. She stuck to her guns very stubbornly, and while she & I debated back & forth (alway cordially - there is a GREAT DEAL of mutual respect between she and I), the other "manginas" kept their mouths shut.

As a matter of fact, at a later point when we were going through some other stuff, the guy who assembled this team in the first place asked me why I was being so negative. Now, there is also some friction between he & I due to his trying to take advantage of me in a personal way, where I had to put my foot down HARD - dammit, it's worth reiterating at this point that there are some details that I wish to leave out to protect my anonymity, but the picture you get will unfortunately remain incomplete as a result; sorry about that.....

So anyway, after all this, we met again to start putting it together, and it was glaringly obvious that I was the only one - aside from her - who had put in the work required on his end to accommodate these changes. After that meeting, when everyone else had left and I was still packing up my shit, she stayed behind and asked me in a very maternal way what was wrong. I considered underplaying what I felt so that I could remain an impartial observer and not affect the situation if I could help it, but I had an overwhelming compulsion to let her know what was on my mind. This particular feeling seemed to involve no animosity to her or others, just a strong urge to inform her about what I thought, and it seemed to be above both logic and emotion (can't really describe it, but it wasn't like a feeling, not quite emotion like anger or a desire to vent, etc.), so I figured it was my gut talking to me, and so I decided to let her know what I thought.

I told her that I recognised that she enjoyed the fact that she was with a team that was talented & knowledgeable enough to be able to make the kinds of changes she wanted at the last minute, where it would be impossible for others to do so. But I went on to say that to use this ability on a whim, when it is not necessary, is an abuse of it, and not acceptable in my mind. I told her that, in the future, if she wants to make changes like this, she is going to have to give me enough time to make adequate preparations, or I am not going to do it, the exception being in cases where it is an emergency and therefore unavoidable. She agreed with no reluctance whatsoever, and seemed to totally get where I was coming from.

Note: i'd love to be able to say that she noticed my mood because she's very intuitive, which she is, and that the lack of sleep I endured in order to make sure I had my end of things covered made me grumpier than usual, but the honest truth is that I still need to work on my 'cloaking'; watching what is happening, and having some slight idea of the mechanics of the male/female dynamic thanks to you guys, is making this shit painful to endure...... But i'll carry on and remember to let my feelings pass through me unhindered; this is a good exercise for me.

So anyway, we have the final meeting before presentation to the client, and the others STILL do not have their parts of the changes ready. She is clearly pissed, and all the other guys afterwards ask her what's wrong. "Oh, it's nothing" is her reply. Anyway, she discretely lets me know that she wants to talk to me, so I arrange it so that I am still packing up my shit when the other guys are leaving. When it's just she and I, she asks me to let her vent, and I say ok. She is totally pissed with the other guys, and disappointed in them, and she even remarks on something that's been on my mind since she unofficially took over the team. She comments that the guy who formed this team should be leading it, and he's just leaving everything up to her. :roll: Remember what I said when I started this thread:
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Well, true to form, she has been slowly taking over the team (the one who started this team basically rolled over and handed the reigns to her), and her decisions have been lousy
I listened and let her get it off her chest; my only observation to her was that if she had given us enough time to incorporate the changes, (as I expect her to do from now on), then the other guys wouldn't have a leg to stand on when she confronts them about their lack of preparation. In any case, she says she's going to have a serious talk with them about what's been happening.

Anyways, we made the presentation to the client, and have been paid for it, so we'll see what they say about hiring us again, what remarks they make about the quality of our work, etc. We'll also see what happens when (if) she has this "serious talk".....

Will keep you posted.

To use a metaphor, it sems to me that if a man is driving, and hands the woman the steering wheel out of deference to the fact that she is a woman, she will drive it over a cliff.......

...... and will blame the man for letting her do so. And perhaps rightfully so?

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Excellent...outstanding and very intriguing observations. :geek:

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She agreed with no reluctance whatsoever, and seemed to totally get where I was coming from.
This was because she didn't have any other male spectators that she needed to 'impress' or appear 'vulnerable' in front of. ;)

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Thanks, especially for the insight. Makes a lotta sense.....

Edit: one thing - did you mean 'INvulnerable'?

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The Kidd!! wrote:
Learned this lesson first hand when I was overseas...remind me to share that story sometime. 8-)
Sounds like an interesting one 8-)

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UPDATE:Well, due to being surrounded by pussies masquerading as men, this woman continues to go insane......
Get use to it man, your experience in this instance is a microcosm of the world. This is good though, if every guy could jump buildings and stop bullets then it wouldn't be as jaw dropping when you did it.

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