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The following is a text message conversation that occurred between my ex's mother and I a few days after I had found out about the pregnancy. I had mailed her a Mothers Day card the morning before I found out...if I woulda waited a few more hours she wouldn't have even known it existed. I had sent her a text a day or two prior inquiring about a possible conception date because my ex said her mom kinda plotted it out...so I figured I had the right to be privy to that info as well...she never responded.

...and that prefaces the following exchange...




Hi Kidd!!  Thanks so much for the mothers day card & gift card..it was very thoughtful of u.  

You're welcome...you and your daughter are kind of alike how you ignore texts that you don't want to answer lol...note taken.

Thanks will for putting me in the same basket w her..

LMAO!!  No where close right now...no where close

I feel u and my daughter still have a lot to deal with right now and in the future..

Oh we do indeed...but there is a 50/50 chance that the future might be a lot shorter than it was supposed to be

I feel that I don't need to get in
The middle of these discussions if I don't need to...That is a choice u will have to make..

I can respect that...she ran off to Cali after dropping that bombshell in my state I was just desperately trying get any info I could get...I hope you can understand...If it is not my child that choice has already been made...

I know that she feels a lot of stress w school, pregnancy and all the changes that r occurring..

I know she does too...but she brought it on herself so it is what it is with that...she can't run from it this time...

That is where I differ..in ur decision...because I think u really love her and she loves u...

If she really loved me...she wouldn't have made a few of the decisions she made, ma'am.  I love your daughter dearly...but I'm no fool for love...I was holding up my end of the deal.

She  went to Cali because I wanted her to get away from All the stress of everything that took place over the last couple of weeks. 

I know...but to leave me in that state just getting news like that?  I just understand her priorities now...and I now realize that I have never been a priority to her...

Really ?? u think u were not a priority.. K then it has to b that way.  I believe she needs to b a strong independent woman before she can b joined in marriage or relationship w anyone...

No...I KNOW I'm not a priority.  She didn't even bother to sneak off and get an STD test after her 'episode' to a least make sure I wasn't exposed to anything.  It doesn't get much more selfish than that...I was trying to help mold her into a strong independent woman...she decided she was ready and look at the decisions she made...cheating in school and everything else.  

Kidd!!, she does care about u and u r a priority in her life but when u tell her that if this isn't yours...then it is over..that doesn't give her a whole lot of reason to really put 110% into relationship if u do not have unconditional love for her..your love is really being put to the test.. Do u really love her?? If so then u would love her no matter whose it is..

She decided to lie to me about this 3 times...she went from she didn't do anything...to he kissed her but she didn't want to...to where we are today.  Who knows what else she's been lying to me about all this time.  I already said if its mine I'll do my best...but if it isn't...and the trust is shot?  Aint that much love in the world, ma'am...I'm sorry...

Wow!! sounds like you are still in anger stages.  With every reason to be angry.. But if u r going to make it u need to forgive each other and stop continuing to cause each other pain...Everything...trust, love...can b restored but the past has to b the past and move forward to a better future., which I think u and her have a good shot at....  Just need to b Willing to give love A try again

What you're saying has nothing to do with her lying to me and not caring enough to make him use protection knowing how her and I are.  Anger stages has nothing to do with blatant lying and disrespect.  What part of that shows her love for me that you speak of?

I have an appt right now...Talk to her later

Will do...I do appreciate you speaking with me

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reading this made me laugh.... Not once did she admit that her daughter did a foolish thing and should be held responsible for her actions. And does she really believe in this crap:
I don't think so...I think it's just a manipulation to get you to cater\take care of her because she doesn't want the other guy and maybe the other guy doesn't care.

There is an option that is not mentioned:

Why isn't she thinking about getting an abortion and going back to medical school?

doesn't she care about her education\future at all esp. when she already started medical school....
if she doesn't want to be a doctor then at least she should be a nurse...

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You have to understand...although the father could be anybody, the baby is ALWAYS the mothers...

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Unbelievable, sadly a lot of guys out there would fall for that guilt shit. Makes me fucking sick.

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A wise man once said "I find that a duck's opinion of me is influenced by whether or not I have bread."

Indeed. I myself have never been in a situation like this before...that said I thought the whole thing ran between hilarious to unbelievable...like is she even reading what she is texting me? There is NO UPSHOT FOR ME WHATSOEVER...DONERZ!

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And your ex knows it!

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A wise man once said "I find that a duck's opinion of me is influenced by whether or not I have bread."

Her mom knows it too!

Matter of fact, just the other day when I was go-...BOTTLE KIDS!

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Bahaha! Holy fuck that was a lot of bottles!!

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A wise man once said "I find that a duck's opinion of me is influenced by whether or not I have bread."

But yeah, I'm looking forward to what transpires now that I've initiated total radio silence on her ass. Wanna hear something even more hilarious? Her dad doesn't even know yet!...and when she does tell him, she's gonna let him think that it is definitely my kid so he doesn't find out she was hoe'n...how ridiculous is THAT? So now he's gonna think that I got his little girl pregnant and just BOUNCED...yeah she really cares about me.

The best part is that if he actually buys that baloney, what happens when I show up AFTER the baby is born strictly for a DNA test? Man...can you imagine how hilarious THAT is gonna be?!? MY LORD!

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her and her Mom are probably having a prayer Vigil, just praying that the child is yours, why? cuz even though she loves you, she will remember what transpired now, and then will try to stick you for a bundle "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" (also the fact that Kidd is thee best option at the moment. steady job, home and no other drama). I had wondered if her Dad knew what went down. even if she does tell him the truth ( IF) ,he still has to be her dad. hope they don't come to you with anymore bull.
" Mommy's Baby, Daddy Maybe"

you know what is funny. if Kidd had been the average man who thinks with his "little head", having all the game he has and went out and got some other chick pregnant, while having his ex as his main. the story would never hear an end.the big picture is that this situation had a probability to not end in pregnancy alone. pure unadulterated selfishness

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With all due respect, a couple of comments:

1. Your ex is around the same age as me and is still living with her parents. As I have observed, she gets carried away easily by her immediate environment (parents, friends etc.). Specifically, on Valentine's Day by her friends and now by her mother. It seems her immaturity and dependency on her immediate environment have been the determinants of this "negative" outcome so far (negative for her but maybe it will be too late when she realizes it). Her parents planted the idea in her mind that maybe you are too old for her, she is still too young to rush things and has a great future in front of her etc. Granted that the pressure was constant, she finally gave in and decided to take a break.

2. Contrary to your Marquee Value, I think that a woman closer to your age (around 30 for example) is far more likely to be mature, independent and determined to build a strong family without external interference. Unquestionably, you got to know and test her and discovered a potential X-factor but in essence she was still a little girl, susceptible to peer pressure and parental influence.

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This sounds pretty spot on to me and is also something I had been mulling over as well. Me and my baby mama's relationship was ruined because of the influence her mom and sister had over her.

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Hmm.. I've been thinking why you aren't much active on the forums lately, this may be one of the reason's..

I'm kinda glad I'm reading this, not because I want you to be disappointed and have problems, but because I can learn from it

That's the main reason I posted it, fufe...in the name of science!

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Age disparity comes into play when a relationship is considered to become serious/monogamous. In order to achieve convergence, both should be at the same stage of their lives, have common goals. Converting the other person's long-term goals into short-term and vice versa is a delicate balancing act and a real challenging one (even for the Kidd ). Even after he calibrated her, she was still susceptible to deviation due to exogenous to The Kidd factors. (am I speaking too scientifically here or it's just my impression?)

Enough with my "interpretation". Whatever the outcome it is a win-win situation for you and an invaluable lesson for all of us, along with the rest of your posts here. The worst that could happen is a minor reconsideration of your M.V. theory regarding serious relationships. True hapiness comes from within.

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Dude you are the same age as I am, yet you come off more experienced than I am by a clear mile.. Mind to share in a idferent thread some of your life stories or something ?

Sounds legit to me. It´s quite logical, is it not?

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Then I ain't logical enough or something
I believe him, I'm just curious

Smart is the new Pimp
Like your signature fufe, unfortunatly that shit goes both ways tho

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