Natural Freedom

Hello everyone, I'm back. Good to see you all again

I'll get to the reason why I came back to post in a minute, i'd first like to share some revelations i've had.

So I have released many old emotions from my body, and doing that for a while will mean that your body has to take time to get used to it. This comes in the form of an uncomfortable phase. At least it did for me. I felt upside down, sick, not as positive as usual, i felt as if I was trying too hard, etc.

It lasted for a few days, and then something hit me as i felt I was coming out of it. The sentence "The truth needs no validation" was thought in my mind, and suddenly everything clicked!

The truth of women. It needs no validation!

Why is it so easy to get hooked and emotional about porn, and then sometimes NG can be "hard"? It made no sense to me for a while, but I get it now.

If you're having trouble with it, the reason is because your mind still believes in the force fed illusion of women. Sexploitation. Your mind still believes that it is sexuality. When your mind starts getting cleaned up (using any methods you like, meditation, NG, sedona method, whatever) you realize that the truth of women is sexuality. You don't need to try anything, think about stuff, psyche yourself. You know it's the truth and can view it as such.

This makes NG easy, because there is no try, because you know.

If your mind still believes in sexploitation, don't make it your new goal to believe in the true sexuality of women, which pervades the skin.

The key is to relax, and just let it in. Have fun with it. That's it. Just do NG and relax. Your subconscious naturally knows what the true sexuality of women is, it's that sometimes the old ways get in the way. Just relax and keep up the NG. Even if you think it's not going to get anywhere, etc. All of it WILL eventually catch up to you and you'll realize it for yourself. I went for months meditating and grounding before it all came to me. And it came to me slowly.

The reason you might try so hard with NG is because you subconsciously want to believe in the true sexuality of women, and that's the reason for your behaviors. I didn't think it was so at first, because it seemed like I just wanted validation for myself. But the real reason is that you keep trying to validate that belief system. You want to know it for yourself, and your mind seeks it through validation via results, emotion...whatever.

NG and having fun with women are the easiest things in the world, if you just relax.

A second thing I wanted to share with everyone is to stop wanting to stop wanting. Yeah. It seems like it goes against everything I preached a while ago, but really, it has everything to do with what I said. LET YOURSELF WANT THINGS. That's how you let them go. Not wanting to want propogates your wanting. Let go by letting be. It's okay if you want things. It shall pass on its own.

Additionally, I've been doing Cory Skyy affirmations to aid in deconditioning. Some of them are hilarious. IF I could clone myself, I would fuck myself. Uhhh, what? Haha. The rest of them are awesome though. I believe Cory is a really natural guy with the right attitudes.

I felt that I would be doing a disservice to anyone that's helped me here by not posting these breakthroughs I had, so I came back to post these. I hope someone finds them useful.

Hope you are all doing AMAZING!
-Midnight

Hey Midnight,

cool that you're back and want to share some insights with us. Since most guys posting here now do other things as their priority than Natural grounding, it might be cool to have one guy here who holds the banner of NG up high

I for myself don't do NG anymore altough I will do it from time to time again, just the thought about the "old" women gives me a great feeling. But I'm doing bigger stuff now (imo) to improve myself than natural grounding. I still have more or less the same goal as I had in my Ng-time but I found ways that directly lead to that goal and not "something" as abstract as natural grounding where no one really can predict what it does and will do to you.

May I ask why exactly you included Cory Skyy's affirmations in your proccess? I know, to aid the deconditioning but what did you realise for yourself that NG isn't enough? Since that is an insight almost everyone has who did NG since the Rion-forum. In the Rion forum NG was just the "big" thing that actually is enough for everything so nobody really doubted it and thought for himself "why doesn't it have more of an effect on me...". Only in this forum here, people talk about their opinions on NG freely and how they do other stuff as their priority.

The biggest example (as it came up in the last days) is that Mr.Marcus was also doing the teachings of Brent Smith. Brent Smiths teachings are about indifference, about not being attached to the outcome, not wanting. The guys who get indifferent tell the same stories as Marcus did, all that fancy stuff. But Marcus never spoke of Brent in the Relm Forum. Ha, no wonder that everyone thought "oh, I have to do NG so I get the success of Mr.Marcus". But nobody got that the main impact of Mr.Marcus success was the indifference he reached through Brents teaching which exactly deals with everything about "not wanting" that Marcus told about. The perfect illusion

This shall not be a NG-bashing. NG is cool, I'm sure it can do a lot to a reconditioning of your view of women but even the almost only one testimonial about that huge success through natural grounding was, in the end, because of a different thing than NG. Its good that this awareness is now here so people can't get stuck into the illusion anymore (I hope so at least) and do NG as good thing to do which gives a great time but not to reach the "not wanting" state. To reach indifference through NG, in my opinion people could ground until the end of their lifes.

Shouldn't sound harsh at all I'm glad you're back and want to give something back. This forum is full of value and it gets better from week to week.

Welcome back midnight, sounds like you have had a good journey during your time away.

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Welcome back Midnight,

I enjoy reading your posts.

Before you left the forum you wrote something like: 'Just stop'

well, as you can see I don't intend to stop until I reach the level of success that I want and
deserve. As far as NG: it's cool and did help to recondition my beliefs about a woman's true sexuality. But on it's own: did it take care of all the issues, make me a ladies men or make me reach 'indifference' with women?
of course not.

In order to stop caring about results\ getting indifference you need more than Natural grounding. And like Vegano said: It's not possible to reach indifference with natural grounding alone (although it sounds 'romantic') And it's also not possible to reach 'high enlightenment' with NG like some of the guys on realm suddenly decided (I know eastern philosophy and Ng is not going to do that.....)

You know when Rion was trying to promote his boot camp in Austin he wrote something like:

'You can read all the books and even do all the natural grounding in the world but if you don't come and see me talk to women 'live', women may remain a fantasy instead of reality to you.'

Even he knows that NG is not going to take care of everything.

Anway, I'll just say that to me success with women is not about me wanting to get validation or 'approval' from women that I'm good enough. I have other reasons....
that's why I said we are all different and we all have different reasons for wanting to get things. I'm always on a journey of self discovery and soul searching and who knows what I will find or decide next week or even tommarow
But in the meantime I don't intend to 'stop'..

Sorry I'm talking too much

Welcome back man, good to see you again, And Reading your posts and insights is always a
pleasure

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Firstly, apologies to Midnight for posting this in your thread.

Shay, I have seen you going round and round... I feel I have to say something, I somehow feel it will not sit with you, however I feel I have come to the point where I have to say it:

Your post above is filled with a lot of limiting beliefs.
This was a valuable comment worth listening to. Here is the kicker, no technique or trick will take care off all the issues, make you a ladies man or reach indifference.
Less is more, NG is not needed, nothing is needed.
Some things may help in some areas, there are no total quick fixes.

However, it all is achievable without these, they can help speed up the process in certain areas. You do not 'need' anything.
If you are overly attached to NG or any other process, you would probably be better off without it.
For some people NG will be one of their magic bullets that help open their eyes, for others it will not work as well. Take what works and throw away the rest. It is possible, it is possible with anything, anything is possible. It is possible to reach 'high enlightenment' by sitting and staring at a blank wall, with no tricks/techniques or grounding.

If you can achieve it with a blank wall, I am sure some people will achieve it by other more complex means and somehow ascribe it to that process instead of an internal one. Marketing pure and simple.
Avoid taking this on as a belief. You keep saying this, possibly it is about time you stated what those other reasons are, they might help you gain some clarity on your path and help others understand where you are coming from when you say some things. Mostly I feel they will help you.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

I want to share my reasons but I don't think anyone would understand...

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I think you underestimate us shay, as far as I can tell the men on this forum are open minded and have different opinions I do care if your honest (with me at least) you don't have to share it if you don't want to but you must understand you must be honest with yourself first and foremost if we don't understand we don't understand its that simple.

I know we all have this complex where we want to be understood and make connections its a part of what we are as humans

I agree with peregrinus on this something is holding you back your beliefs are limiting have you tried to get that book yet the biology of belief I'm going to get it soon it could be the very crucial point of what can make or break everything we have come to know what we label as reality

I've been meditating lately I have been feeling more at ease with myself and goods things keep happening by just setting my intention and letting go and trust in the universe to take care of the rest .

My purpose is to ultimately free mankind of this illusion that we are living and live in a utopia where there is no crime, war, and murder anyway not to go off in a tangent but I feel like you aren't being completely open but again its up to you if you want express yourself

But just to remind you we are all friends on a journey to appreciate and live better lives you have nothing to hide here just like how I believe it was midnight or djl who came out and said he is gay or bi sexual nobody judged him they just accepted that fact and let him be we won't treat you no different

This post is longer than I thought but I felt like this had to be said

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Mr. Todo

I'm glad this thread is being looked at!

Vegano,

The reason I started Cory Skyy affirmations was to speed up the process of deconditioning. While NG helped me out tons, in my mind, I still behaved differently than I wanted to. I did not have a strong belief system, and doing Cory Skyy's affirmations after grounding helped me develop that. I'm 100% sure that I would have become rock solid with just NG anyway, but Cory's affirmations are fun and easy and they really speed up the process.

Shay,
How are you man?

I would recommend you keep doing NG. You might think that "it doesn't do this...or that...you need more things..."

Really, you don't. Attracting women is as easy as breathing (Your mind really does complicate things).

I incorporated meditation with LifeFlow as well to develop my mind. If you want something practical, try using that. This is actually a huge one for me too, because it helped me come across insights, remove disfunctional emotions, and made me realize that you really don't have to want anything. You can regain control of your mind by meditating with LF.

And honestly, NG does and will cure anything you want, but you have to understand the principles of meditation and how the mind work. If you're trying to get rid of an issue, and actively pursue in getting rid of it, you are focusing on it and analyzing it and making it grow. If you relax, go with the flow, accept your flaws and realize that it will pass with time, do NG, and relax IT WILL GO AWAY. This I am sure of.

Constantly trying to be indifferent or rock solid using "practical" methods only reinforce in your mind that you're not indifferent (when you naturally are).

I don't know why Rion says the things he says sometimes, and I don't care. Maybe he doesn't understand how meditation works himself, but I know that NG can work. It takes time, but it works. I've had it work many times.

I'm curious to hear your reasons for wanting women shay... that'd be cool if you could share.

"It's not possible to reach indifference with natural grounding alone (although it sounds 'romantic') And it's also not possible to reach 'high enlightenment' with NG like some of the guys on realm suddenly decided"

Actually you can. Many times my mind has just decided for things to start making sense and one day i'll be utterly confused and the next I understand everything. That's why my first posts here were the way they were and then I seemed to transition.

And I think you may have misinterpreted what I meant by "Just stop". I'll admit that the advice in that thread isn't up to date with what I believe, but I didn't mean to stop liking women.

You should carefully consider what Peregrinus has said. I believe he is only trying to help, and I can agree with everything he says.

Glad to see everyone else is still around. I'll stick around for a few more posts and clarifications in this thread if need be. But after that, i'll be gone again.

Oh and Way of Natural, I'm not gay or bi, so that was someone else who said that. Not that anything is wrong, good for them for being honest with themself.

Side note, I may be misportraying how big of a role Cory's affirmations play. I do them after nearly every grounding session, but mostly after I meditate. I do believe it plays an integral part and having a strong belief system will only help you. The thing that makes these different though is that these are beliefs that one naturally has without a bunch of mud on their diamond.

Have a good day everyone!

Thanks for that answer, midnight. But I have to point something out
One should define "pursuing of getting rid of an issue" here. Is it pursuing if you let the emotion come up, accept it and let it go ? This is the point where I have my problems with "it will pass by, just do your NG" because there are indeed practical applications which lead you to indifference. Letting go of your attachments is one of them, practicing accepting yourself and being happy all alone the other. And yes, if you want to grow, you have to adress your issues, I wouldn't call it "pursuing". You may be right if you say that if you accept your flauws that they will go away with time but there are more effective ways to get rid of your flaws "right now". By letting go our attachements. Indifferene is not an abstract concept that "will happen if you keep NG". I realised it when I read Brents stuff and Jakes stuff. The whole "Marcus-story" just made up the illusion to me that NG brings you to the point of indifference. No word about Brent...

Indifference is just a way of living which is learnable. I don't think that Brent would have led all the guys to indifference if he just told them "stop wanting, do your grounding". The first thing you learn if you read the stuff of "indifference-coaches" that trying to be indifferent doesn't work. But this doesn't mean that there are no practical ways to reach indifference than just the abstract formula "just stop wanting".

Sorry if I sound aggressive here but I was quite desperate in the past as I only read Marcus posts and some things by others in the natural awakening forum and there were always only those abstract words "just stop wanting, do your grounding". Its a false belief that there are no practical applications to reach indifference and I want to save others to fall in the "Marcus-indifference-trap" like I did. But the Marcus-times are over since he was just one applying Brents stuff. He's not the ONLY indifferent guy (with kindred together) out there anymore

Hey Vegano,

No it is not pursuing to accept your emotions and let them go. By pursiung to get rid of an issue, I mean you think about it all the time, figure out what to do to get rid of it, try a bunch of different things, etc. Things in that vein.

Maybe my view of pragmatism is different than yours in that I think of "practical" things like techniques to get somewhere. Though I suppose i've been using little techniques as well like acceptance and letting go, but I don't view it as a technique, I just view it as a natural way to go about things.

I agree with what you said about indifference, but I would point out that it is how we naturally live. Nature is indifferent to everything, and our natural state as humans is indifference. That's why I like natural grounding because all it is doing is acting as a spiritual fire, burning away everything that isn't you.

A personal philosophy of mine is that absolutely anything can be done, and if you believe that you can learn indifference, than I whole-heartedly recommend that you continue learning it, believing it, etc.

I'm merely pointing out that NG can be done to reach these states. Many of you have limiting beliefs about NG because some of you are inconsistent, but that only stems from a lack of understanding of meditation principles, and the fact that you don't yet know the truth of women. You understand it logically, and have felt it many times before, but in the back of your mind, a tiny bit of doubt may reside. I'm not saying this is a condescending way, just pointing out what's going on.

I think Marcus' posts are great, but they only really make sense when you reach a certain point, though some of what he says should be kept in mind.

Just a small clarification: this is Not true.
Accepting a problem is the first step to solving it (or half way like they say in psychology)
but than you need the right tools\advise to help yourself get rid\overcome of your flaws.

When someone goes to a psychologist and he accepted the fact that he has let's say:
low self esteem or maybe the psychologest has helped him accept the fact that the problem he is dealing with and wants to change is: low self esteem. Then what?
The next step, is the psychologest giving the guy tools to overcome the problem...

Another example: a guy who owns a company hires a consultant to help see why the company is losing money or why the workers are not happy. The company owner knows there is a problem and the consultant pointed out what the problem is.
Next step: the consultant will have to give him strategies how to make things better....

Just knowing and even accepting is not enough.

if in story one the psychologist tells his patient: 'Just beleive in yourself'. would that have much of an effect on anything?

If in example number two the consultant will tell the company owner: your workers are not happy because they feel they are not being paid enough, just pay them more money...
But the owner can't pay them more because the company is not doing so well,
is that going to solve anything?

accepting is the first step but then you need tools to help you achieve what you need and overcome your flaws.

If I want to reach 'indifference' even after I know why I'm not in that state, I would still need more practical advise on how to get there. I can do natural grounding for the rest of my life and I would still never get there.....

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Shay,

Those are all true examples, but they are not relevant to what's being discussed. If you have a real world problem, like the ones you've listed, then you can find a solution.

When you are speaking of inner states and inner change, it is a different area entirely. Things work differently with the brain and inner issues than issues with a company.

Yes, issues fade away on their own if you accept and let them go. Putting energy into it feeds it. Awareness, acceptance, and love for an issue will let it fade away over time.

For the record, phsychology is only good for knowing why you behave as you do, psychologists rarely give effective advice. Many of my friends have agree with this, and a lady I know who studied psychology in college said it was a waste of time. The reason being is psychologists make you devote your energy to an issue, and it gets harder the more you try.

I've tried to practically get rid of my problems, become indifferent, love, etc. The only thing that happened was that I thought about it too much, and I would just go through inner turmoil. There is no issue that I haven't gotten passed without acceptance and letting it be. The logic sounds backwards, but you'll find it has a 100% success rate if you truly let it be.

There is nothing to do, try, gain, remove...When you really understand this, you can let things go. It's the reason i'm where I'm at today, and I'm thankful for it. If you try to deal with every issue logically, you're going to fight an endless war, a war of attrition.

For the record, Natural Grounding isn't just watching the videos. It's knowing the truth of women.

Things weren't always 100% with me and I've taken a long time to get where I am, and I'm just getting started. There have been detours, and roadblocks, but I kept going. In the end, i've always found that the answers to my questions are never the ones I expect.

I feel as if the reason I came here was fulfilled, I just wanted to be sure that this knowledge had a channel to let itself be seen.

If any of you have further questions, you can email me at kamrank@cox.net. If you decide to, make sure the subject line indicates that you're from here, somehow.

Thanks again everyone, I learned a lot just from these few posts still.

Hope you're all having the times of your life!
-Midnight <3

Okey, this made a lot clearer. I agree with most of what you said and I'm glad that we think quite similar about indifference. Its ok that you think of the letting go tools/"methods" as a natural way to go about things but most of the people don't use them just by nature. They have to get made aware about those powerful tools and thats what imo lacked in your posts but if you see them as natural, then your posts are consistent but not really practically helpful for most of the guys.

Indifference is natural, yes, I agree with that. But we don't know anymore what our natural self is altough it is in us so we have to get aware about it. The concept of indifference explains it.

You're right, you can reach indifference through natural grounding, you can reach it through affirmations or through hypnosis or as peregrinus said only by looking at a blank wall. Its the belief behind it that must be 100% which does make it real. But that belief can't be forced. Thats the point. If one doesn't believe in natural grounding 100% as most of the guys doing it do, then every "keep grounding" won't change that non-believing. And keeping grounding wouldn't change anything either. I've done lots of good, emotional grounding for like 9 months but I remained unbelieving to a certain point altough I lied to myself and said that I believe in it... Another point is that most of the guys do NG because they want success with women. With that perception, there will be no success. I don't think that many guys do it because they want to find the truth about women.

About Marcus. Here I disagree with you to a certain point. Imo one doesn't have to be at a "certain point" but just know about the concept of indifference. With that knowledge, the Marcus posts are nothing else than his perception about indifference.

Thanks for your explanation May I ask you why you already intend on leaving again?

thanks for the explanation Midnight

always a pleasure reading and learning more from you and everyone else here

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Oh and just a side note:
This is not true.
phsychology has a few branches the two most famous ones are:
Clinical psychology and Cognitive behavioral psychology which Does give practical things to do to overcome problems......

I have also read some articals about neopsychoanalytic psychology that was founded by Carl Jung. It is based on analyzing worlds of dreams, art, mythology, world religion and philosophy
and has a lot of mystical touch in it. Very fascinating

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Personally I like the affirmation "If I could clone myself, I would fuck myself." It helps you to truly cement that, yes you are a very sexy motherfucker.

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Good insights!

Some months ago I thought that Brent was fake, because in a trial podcast he just told you to repeat this affirmation:

"All women love me"

I did it and nothing happens. Perhaps that alone could work for some. Besides this affirmation is not very specific.

But as many guys here say, is better to use some things in addition. Combining NG with affirmations, Brent and Cory stuff, etc.

I don't really know the difference between Cory's affirmations and Rion's afformations. Anyone here can tell? (I think it's the same)
I bought S.A.P. and I was just doing NG and I totally forget about doing afformations and this perhaps could do a big difference.

I agree that Rion is just trying to sell his stuff, (now he's offering phone coaching) yes that's the way of life he choose to follow, I dont have any problem with that, but personally I'm not going to spend all that money.

Hey Midnight.

I loved your post.

I particularly loved this paragraph.
I think this is awesome advice. I used to get really stressed out if I found myself wanting a woman because I would tried to convince myself that I didn't want her. It just made me feel a bit like I was being dishonest to myself.

Ironically I found this to be true with food. I used to do a program called Body For Life and had to eat healthy six days a week. When I was around chocolate I would start wanting it but I would kind of let myself want it and suddenly I could control my cravings.

I also think it's true with porn. Like the second I tell myself I no longer want porn that's is when it comes back and bites me in the arse. I prefer to admit my cravings to myself and that way I have control over it and I can decide not to use it.

Agreed. Supressing your wants is not the correct way. To transcend them will make them disappear : feel your crap, your sadness, your anger, then the clouds disappear to make the sun shine.

I notice that all the forum is all about programming the "ego" with positive beliefs which will then atract women.
All the work is done with the mind.

I personally focus on spirituality now.
It's about getting rid of the "ego" or "mind" which causes us to suffer.
i'm tired of highs and downs. It's not a way to live.
I prefer the higher way which is focused to GIVE, like a real man.
Not the childishs wants.

But Rion pride must be too strong too admit Truth.