Natural Freedom

As many of you are aware, these arts for a long time now, have been universally swept off the internet. For a long time here, I tried to express that the need existed before - well before - any work had taken place to address the balance of dating technological warfare.

The technology may have been deleted, the research content removed, the companies dissolved and the characters all but disappeared, but what has not disappeared is the need itself.

As a result of this gap in the market, c****s, wa****rs and f****ards have seen a business opportunity.

To all the people who looked at the old guard and screamed "SNAKE OIL SALESMAN!", I give you the real snake oil.

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WiIKNDhi5E

This is just the start.

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Who do I feel like I just listened to some of the early stuff

it was a trip back in time... oh my

some key phrases from back then included also I noticed.

yup, have been coming across more and more of these videos recently.

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Absolutely!!!

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I should have also added plagiarists to that list.

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https://youtube.com/shorts/ADLmKBkZb6c

One more from her, which I think might be helpful in demonstrating the oncoming whirlpool where all this will take us, if there is an us.

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You all know this guy. This is his book.




Here is the male version:


BANNED

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Here he is pressing his oil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cel8SaNksvg

This version of his video has a thankful side commentary from Christine Grace Smith. Make sure you watch until the end. All the evidence you need.

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Myron Gaines speaks at the University of South Carolina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew3hTT5ExWY

This is what the kids will learn now.

Fascinatingly, he says that being attractive needs to be learnt.

He defines this as "we have to learn how to be confident, we have to learn how to dress properly, we have to learn how to go to the gym, we have to learn how to be competent. We have to have certain things in our background to make us attractive to women, because women look for things that take time to acquire. Resources etc".

He says this whilst wearing a hoodie.

Anyway, men. Now you know what to do. Get to it.

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1:24 , "Most of us did not see this problem coming"

oh, what planet were you living on then, it was not this one

2:40 "Bubbling under the surface for a long time"

oh my

found myself glad for the commentary breaks, the guy is a hard watch imho
sure i've come across one of his before...

and how did he manage to weave home ownership into this.. oh my (see below)

and she explains perfectly why certain coloured pharmaceutical products got driven off the net ;p

as she says 'you arent digging below the surface'
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as in my earlier message, i keep getting feelings of dejavu...
bits i hear or watch and remember the first time i came across it, same terms etc...

i get flashbacks to back when guys found something that worked and built their whole thing around it, without considering all the rest.
Then as they discovered more, they either became more rigid or really opened up and expanded the theories.

as you said earlier, a lot of that has vanished through various purges... now i see people coming across bits of it, then trying to build something on that. without all the rest that came from it, or the root of it. without the 'why', which really takes me back to seeing this process before..

the spiders web

one that i've recently been asked about IRL is the 'nose ring theory'... oh did i laugh when it was explained to me and how it was explained..

from memory, there have been at least 3 and probably more iterations since the birth of this site... i wonder how many more it will see as we seem to be going through another iteration of this spilling out..

your post in hoe math i enjoyed, so many relevant points...

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as you say, the snake oil salesmen are smelling profit

and usually their pitch contains a tiny tiny element of truth, around which their whole castle is built..
that is the foundation they rely on again and again to justify everything, even those not connected to it.

no understanding, no depth... just something that appears to explain a lot more than it does

they then wave this in front of you and use it to justify/explain everything else

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Watching it, he really reminds me of when the upa's were copying womens tactics to use on them.
when they were watching the other side and taking that as the way to operate, without taking the time to work out why or if they should.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

Thanks for this excellent post.

He is very difficult to watch.

What's amazing about the castle building is how obvious it is they are doing it. I just wonder, if this video was put out at an earlier time, could he have got away with it?

Funnily enough, when he says most of us did not see the problem coming, he adds 'including myself'!

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This goes with what I have been noticing more in recent videos, there is no hiding it or attempt to which seems to be accelerating.
Even though the production qualities and visuals seem to have improved, the content is dropping...
Its more about keeping the attention rather than keeping a consistent theme or message across the video/subject.

Hence why grace gets so annoyed when he ignores things he mentioned earlier on..

Part of me does wonder how many of these are to a script written by AI... I've noticed a number of the female versions very visibly reading off scripts, scripts that in some places its so obvious that it has not been edited or read over or checked..

my gut screams this

and the obvious part also comes i think from the need to outdo everyone, somehow be more extreme or animated or whatever.. which links me back to attention rather than content.
Had a good ponder on this..

I think he would have been ripped to shreds as people analysed it to death, tbh..

if he had released it as a written document, oh my.. given how i remember some being recieved back then.

Interesting thought for sure
hahaha

of course...

like the other bit.... where you just replace every instance of 'you' with 'I' and it makes perfect sense... oh which was it.. and if he had to do it, damn sure you will have to, as you couldnt possibly just be born with it

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

Had a massive chuckle reading this. It was brilliant.

I have to say though

...none of this had ever occurred to me.

Clearly, you've seen something I have completely missed.

I have to ask

...you say the content is dropping. Dropping from where do you think? Where did it start? I thought they had started at zero. When was it higher? Are you referring to the Golden Age? Or at some point past it?

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oh wow, that brings back memories

its 3 volumes because it is important, like an encyclopedia

goes well with my response
I am curious as to your thoughts about what I posited, both before and after you saw it..
Oh wow...

like a client who makes a really complex request on a project and it will be a real simple win, so easy and quick to do, yet they think its so complicated.
then the client request where they request something that sounds so simple, yet it will be a nightmare to implement in the project and they dont realise it..

I could write pages and pages on the above questions.... very good questions

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when i say the content is dropping, i mean the actual content of the videos, the part the viewer takes away with them. This is something not tied just to this area, I am noticing it across this media space in general (the whole videos online thing, short, long, medium)

In a lot of ways it reminds me of the old 'reports' (not the agricultural type), which were short documents putting forward an idea but with no real solution or ideas to move forward... like an infomercial

then we had papers, with a start middle and end... the posit, the analysis and possible approaches/solutions
then was the books, expanding on the papers..

I feel watching a lot of videos that we've gone back to the 'reports' phase.. not just on this subject on a wider span also.

(this was what i meant)
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Now the other way this can be interpreted is they are dropping information on this subject that comes from before, its very obvious, some notable examples that have been posted on here over last years... the language, the way its laid out, they took this from somewhere as you said in an earlier post..

Some have openly stated in videos that they used to be part of this thing, in various stages, most seem from the upa time or shortly after during the reign of coloured pharmaceuticals.

Some are taking little bites of information from before that they came across... some have a much more complete reference library to look at..
Then i see other content creators take these snippets and try and create something around them, without understanding it or where it came from or why it came about.

Its like presenting part of the picture and not the most relevant part.

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They very much did not start at zero imho...

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The above change in media and presentation, sadly i have concluded so far that this is being driven by the monetisation policies of the various video platforms and what they value as regards views, likes, subscribes etc.
The chase for views/subs/likes and the point that a lot of what look like lone creators are teams of people with a schedule of videos and an upcoming list and writers..
Their focus imho is not on the content of the video, per se... the real content... its more on the video and the reaction to it..

There is also an issue here with copycat videos, where a content creator has made something that got big views and likes (relatively) and then others jump on it to try and ride the wave. Now if the original creator didnt really understand the content, the copier for sure doesnt, just reguritates several other videos in an attempt to make something vaguely original ;p

This is a current hot topic which will attract views, so it is being jumped on.. to some degree i expect this to tail off as some other hot topic comes up

In this way i consider a lot of the issues with these videos stemming from wider issues on that media format and the various platforms... its a symptom of a wider problem but is not helping imho.

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This also to me ties in to the move away from long-form discussions and a two way conversation to a more one way conversation with comments but little discussion.. which changes the communication largely.

A move to a more producer consumer model than a collaborative discussion.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

And it's Michelangelo's David. Because he's the original Chad.

Michelangelo's Chad.


Before
My view on the matter is thus: We had a burgeoning community who were very committed to understanding how we as a people are supposed to relate to women in the modern age. Many questions were asked - many were answered. Some of the question askers and question answerers are still here. At least, in some cases, there was some stalling. In fairness, a competition had recently broken out regarding numbers. Nothing explicit, but there were some consistent posters. In fact, at one point, a question was asked regarding the importance of numbers. Generally, it was agreed that numbers were not important as long as a certain capability was there.

Not everyone is destined to feel they have succeeded, but, all in all, support of one kind or another was readily available for all people.

When it all disappeared, it was replaced, seemingly unsurprisingly, by the involuntary succubus tribe. To me, this was as clear as day. One group moves out. Another moves in. I can't say I know much about them, but I did read one study on it which I thought was good. From what I could see, it was far from the same mindset. There was one public related incident which took place in Santa Barbara a few years ago. This lived on in the press for quite some time and has not come close to going away. There were even TV shows on the subject. I saw one ITV production which cited something like

'almost 12 women have been killed in the last 100 years regarding this issue'

Aside from the made up statistic, because I don't remember what it was, this is not an exaggeration. It was something that ridiculous. It actually might even be the right statistic.

An awareness was lit at the very least as a result of the worldwide media coverage, some stirring has taken place. One short discussion has been held on Bill Maher, a few debates and TV coverage, some Project 25ers, some discussion has even taken place on the independent journalist side. Now we have podcasts discussing the issue, including one from Santa Barbara. The aim, apparently, is to change the cultural trend. They have reached a few conclusions; including that social media changed everything. Apparently, it was totally fine before.

It seems to me that these new podcasts have a memory that dates back to the incident near Summerland.

The only thing I seemed to sort of be aware of was the adversarial nature of them. No desire to have an actual conversation. Anyone who came in with some knowledge were spoken to, then later disregarded.

After

1. That AI is now readily accessible and could make politically acceptable scripts and take positions on the matter. Yes they are reading a script, but I thought these were articles cited from elsewhere, following the same political leanings. I hadn't realised that they could be automated scripts.

2. They might not have an actual opinion on the subject. They have spotted, in fact, an emerging market which they can actively exploit. The only thing is, it's hard to conclude that they don't have an opinion on this subject, which it's hard to see it that way. But I see now that it could be possible. This would explain why some of the absolute biggest idiots of all time are engaging in discussing the matter.
There is one in particular who has made this claim. A very unreliable person. He claims he was part of it during that year that Avril Lavigne released her first single. I find this to be almost totally Impossible. You needed a password and insider approval before any such access was granted. He claims he just logged on. No way.

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good summation..

I would also include the various waves of monetization and associated publicity and the effect that had on it, imho, as that keeps coming up when I look back.

the adversarial thing, i am seeing that in many spaces
oh yes, the advances have been quite fast to say the least

this was from a year ago, for scripts 2 min : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZiUdHQzy4o
a search on youtube for ai script for video will turn up many more recent ones..

also, you can instruct the ai to write with a particular leaning or direction, instruct it in great detail as to the content if you wish to do so.
including sanitizing subjects to make them more acceptable, or disguise the message

and very accessible.. running locally on even your phone is regular, pc no issue, cloud then plenty of choices
This is key imho

If you take this together with 1 and my reply.. it makes a lot more sense

Their video might have a opinion, it might not be theirs, it might be the markets or one they think the market will like.
Yes

its one of the ways i found to make it make sense
Curious...

The ones I have come across reccently from memory that stated it and i heard it were more from later in the lifespan, not from as early as that in that movement and more distant.
From the date, only one place is springing to mind and from memory it was invite only, at that time..

Just logging on does sound wrong...
that would apply to later places and later copies of it..


If they were around at that time they would certainly have witnessed the monetization and promotion that went on and which subjects sold well etc, which is not too far from nowadays.. a thought that crossed my mind.

you've taken me on a little trip down memory lane and worked my circuits

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ahahahahahahahahha.

This excellent response is hilarious!

Do you know why?

Because there is a second such person! A righteous Christian whose book writing wife is a semi-celebrity.

Seemingly a more reliable and credible individual, though his own description of his past is so wildly different, he too is almost certainly engaging in a bit of legerdemain.

Right after the fake guitarist had made his astonishing claim, Lord Chain Smoker sitting on the same panel, went next. It turns out he was around that time too! But he was not looking to rebalance his social standing as a man. Oh, no. Instead, he was apparently interested in politics. He caroused politics forums, because those existed apparently. Whilst carousing these forums, budding social artists would suddenly come into these forums and start posting what he called 'degen shit'.

So that we are clear: At a young age, he was interested in politics. He posted in political forums. During posting, men who were so desperate to change their success in their romantic lives, gained access to one of the most exclusive forums on the internet, then went to a politics forum and started giving away secrets that they themselves would need to use to progress their own goals.

In parallel to this, he was a model for one of the biggest Americana clothing brands, something that he is shy to talk about. If you knew anything about this brand, you would know that the models were kept in a house together and regularly photographed. It is well known that these models got to know each other quite well.

In parallel to that, upon pressured questioning at the West Coast Court of Public Opinion, he had said that he had slept with no more than 10 women.

In parallel to that, when appearing in the same Court, under no pressured questioning, he had said the following:

1. That back in the day (whenever that was), he did not care about anything but himself.
2. That he had 'banged half of California' (or half the women in California). I assume there is no difference here.
3. That a family member of some sort had spoken to him and told him that he needed to change his ways.
4. That the moment he changed was when he saw his daughter for the first time.

The book writer also makes appearances in the same court, mostly as a judge, but can act as an advocate. Fascinatingly, she tells the women how they should behave in relationships, how the 60s movement ruined everything, how important marriage is and how we are on the verge of population collapse. However, she also inadvertently mentioned once that her attraction to her husband was based on pre-selection!

Of course, all this is missed by everyone or ignored or none of it matters as long as the dollars come in.

Maybe it's not so complicated after all.

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oh this brings back memories

sales and marketing people, they drank that stuff up...
very similar to the above.. i ran into some of them IRL spouting stuff straight off those places, it was not hard to spot them..

those types seemed attracted during a specific phase, i wonder why, then i do not as it makes perfect sense.

then when you see how many of the posters on those places went on into business coaching in that space when the purges came..
haha

that clothing brand has many stories around it and its models, all over the news some years back..
no wonder he is shy to talk about it and why his women number is so low
lol

so many contradictions
If you look around its the same story all over..

things get forgotten so quickly..
so much is overlooked then not looked back on..
In a lot of ways as time goes on the motivations are getting a lot easier to see and are not even obfuscated even slightly nowadays... I have a feeling it is less to do with age and more to do with the world.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

During that time?

I'm inclined to believe you peregrinus, but him not so much.

By his own words, he didn't care about anything. So an interest in politics would seem to counter this claim along with other things he was doing at the time.

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He did care about something, himself.

He didnt need an interest in politics, he just needed to see it contained something in the knowledge that would benefit him, imho. Or even just a way to make dollars.
Also there are spurious claims, and a number of people claiming things because it makes them cool ;p lol.. not so long ago he would not have mentioned that at all as it would have reflected negatively.
During the early web forums, after the move from usenet, before upa solidified and took off.

I have no doubt it happened much more later on, after it took off when it was so public and out there.
Sales people look for ways to improve and advance, to improve their sales ime.
Thats up to you...

Thinking about it, I do not consider it a stretch as politics contains a fair amount of sales and marketing, so crossover to that area and other associated areas does not seem a large leap.

Not commenting on their claims, just the landscape around at the time.

It could also be a borrowed story(tm)

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when thinking about this.. the book that really jumps to mind as an example is:
Robert B. Cialdini - Influence, copyright 1984
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence ... d_Practice

Ross and various others used that book and others as references.
Then stuff from the seduction / upa world fed back in to the other side.

if you look at the terms used and concepts, they contain a lot of similarity and overlap.
(the book and sales/marketing and upa)

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This is one reason I tend to disagree with the beginner/advanced/something else.... that was mentioned in the hoemath thread...
as I didnt see us as an extension of that... I more saw it as a paradigm shift... to get to what was underneath, to go deeper, to see behind the curtain. I saw the other approach as a bit of a dead end and unnatural.

you could do both, or use bits of both how you fancy, they did not conflict. They could co-exist and benefit each other and increase understanding

As understanding was gained, to simplify

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.