Natural Freedom

Hey Kidd,

this question might seem obvious to you or most people and I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway because the more I dig the rabbit hole the more stuff I find that I was denying all these years...

you and others here have talked about how most women ae ugly in nature, how keepers and X-factors are hard to find (I assume keepers and X-factors are the same thing?).

So my question is:

* how come\why women don't change?

I think the answer is:

**that they don't have to... because there are plenty of simps who will accept them with their ugly nature.

If I'm right then there is something else I was thinking about:

Women want alpha males (deep down) and alpha males won't accept them if they stay with their ugly nature. So if I'm right again: how come women don't change?

Is it because they have lack of awareness?
Is it because change is hard?
Is it becuase they would rather not change and settle with a simp because that's what the Media tells them they should Want?
is it because they don't know what they Need so they go after what they think they Want?
(a simp)

I wrote down all my thoughts I hope it didn't turn into a mishmash

anyone else besides The Kidd who wants to give his two cents is welcomed.

peregrinus I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, I'm sure you have some answers

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Keep grounding and all shall be revealed Sniper:P

I'm guessing its the social matrix, because in the likes of Japan where the woman is taught to respect men she goes for the alpha male (one like her father was as Freud would point out.) Women in western society are taught to go for the mushy AFC (one unlike her father)

I don't know if I'm right its just my two cents.

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Don't be sexist, bitches hate that.

Trust me when I say this, AZT...your two cents isn't what he was looking for.

Shouldn't you be somewhere reading all of these valuable posts or something?

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I've been mulling over this for quite sometime...and the conclusion I'm coming to has become strengthened after a nice, forthcoming talk with my keeper. I'm still processing it all so this might come out a little manic...but here goes...

FYI, I'm going deep into The Matrix with this one.

'Grinus...you are going to LOVE THIS epiphany.

To put it bluntly, we ALL have been born and raised in The Matrix. Now whether we have learned to absolutely love steak or even though we think something is 'off', we continue to eat it because it is what we are SUPPOSED TO DO, we all started in that gigantic human array of a power plant.

That said, while most men and women have accepted societal programing as the social norm and have been fully assimilated, some of us (like our little Nebucanezzar here) have 'awakened' and have decided to fight against the machines (societal bullshit). Some of us, like Sniper, have trouble handling the truth...others, like Etienne, after seeing the truth have decided to take the Blue Pill and remain idiots. Now, this only addresses the men...what about the women?

Consider this...not only is feminism a huge culprit in this radical shift in women's nature, but also the rise of the single parent household. Stay with me here...since I am a firm believer in the Oedipus/Elektra complex, I believe that parental roles flip flop at around 7-10 years of age...meaning that boys are more partial to listening to their mothers (hence the term "Mama's Boy"), and then, at a little bit past the age of reason, then seek their father's advice. Vice versa for women. However, what if the other parent isn't available during this transition? Then this is where they tend to get lost.

My keeper, for example...her family is whole...father is in the household...HOWEVER, since he didn't give much input and left child rearing solely up to her mother, he might as well have not even been there. Because of this, I postulate that she is mostly a spoiled brat princess because of what she has been fed from society and her mother/aunts with NO MAN IN HER LIFE TO TELL HER OTHERWISE.

Normally, women look for qualities in a man that emulate her father to a degree (and vice versa for men..subconsciously of course)...but since he had so little involvement, she has no such subconscious checklist to consult. Therefore, when she fucks up and I chastise her...instead of her getting a subconscious warm fuzzy from being father-like, she gets super defensive because her mom raised her to believe that if a man REALLY cares about you, he wouldn't talk to you or treat you like that...and that is what is totally fucked up! A REAL involved father who loves his daughter STILL wouldn't put up with ANY BULLSHIT...so this link in the chain in helping a woman chose the right man for her on a gut level is just about extinct in today's society.

Remember in The Matrix when Morpheus apologized to Neo? Something along the lines of, "Normally we don't pull people from The Matrix at this late an age because it is dangerous."? This is why our keepers will probably be much younger than us...because most older women are solidified in The Matrix...attitude, belief systems, expectations...all tempered by societal norms. Younger women are STILL MOLDABLE...PLIABLE like Play Doh. See? But the catch is...only a select FEW (hence, Unicorns) are actually aware that they aren't happy with their societal role on a gut level, and are hence receptive to any kind of teaching/re-programming!

So yes my keeper is giving me some resistance...Neo resisted a liitle bit as well. But what I am essentially trying to do is RIP MY KEEPER, SCREAMING AND KICKING, FROM THE MATRIX...no easy feat...but so far, it seems to be working. I knew going into it that my keeper was going to be a lot of work...but, like Morpheus saw something in Neo, I see something in her...something different...something that shows me she has doubts about what her role is SUPPOSED to be. So yes, in the end I may well be unsucessful...BUT!...so far my gut tells me to stay the course.

The crux of the matter is this...most women never change because most men nor society provide them with any motivation, stimulus, or, ultimately, one single damn reason good enough TOO bring about change. Women are left to do whatever they want to do because the average guy wants to fuck her or keep on fucking her. They are afraid that if they don't bend to their will, she will leave. It is that fear of loss that ultimately gives this bitches free reign to do whatever they want.

Hope this helps. ...and makes sense.

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Oh goody

*rubs hands together looking forward to the coming post*

I would rephrase this to 'NO MAN IN HER LIFE TO SHOW HER OTHERWISE.'.
Agreed. I agree, this ties up with my observations of those without a good male role model in their lives. Yup.
He would love her, take care of her AND still tell her off when she spouts bullshit.
When she faces him with bullshit, he would call her on it, yet still be her dad and someone she can rely on.

He would treat her like a little girl in the nicest way.
In a way I agree with this and in a way I disagree.

The matrix has a much stronger effect much younger nowadays on women/girls.

Oddly the women I meet who see outside it tend to be older than me, about 10 years plus, it has always been that way for me. Sadly now they are borderline too old for me, so am setting my sights younger.
There are ones younger, I do find the numbers less, however they are there.

I have met within the last week some 16-20 year olds who were so firmly embedded in the matrix it was scary, even a friend who does not believe in all of this commented on it because it shocked him how much they were. He after years has now started questioning me more on my thoughts, it was a real kick in the face for him.
I would tend to say this is age independent.

They are rare, they do exist in all ages.
I take a different approach to this.. with the same end.

I used to have a friend who tried this approach, I have tried it myself and so have seen quite a few instances of it quite close up.

I have gathered so far that this is what you are attempting to do. I expect you to have some periods of backlash and fightback, it will be a battle. The battle can be fun in itself. However I would say to make sure that this is what she wants deep down, as in the end it has to be her choice otherwise she will snap back into it, really hard.
Trust your gut.

Carry on observing as well.

Seem to remember saying this to you, or someone else on here, cannot remember which: Be sure what you are seeing is really there and not something conjured up to give you that impression.

(to others: hence the 'tests' Kidd talks about laying for her, they are to verify if it is an elaborate act or real)

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I will add to this, even if a woman/girl does have a male role model around - if he is still embedded in the matrix or a symp, she will get totally the wrong message from him as he will not live up to the ideals given above. Hence she will not have SEEN and FELT how a MAN will act like, a true MAN. She will have only seen the 'sympish' giving in behaviour and the woman being in control (her mother, sisters, aunts etc) and hence will see that as being male.

Hence when confronted by a MAN, she will usually not see him for what he is, or have an EXTREME reaction to him. She WILL think about this later, talk it over with friends etc and it WILL nag away at her.
She will then either keep AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE from him, or feel herself keep being pulled towards him, whilst not really knowing why - this can leave her in a big state of confusion and panic.
She may also see him as dangerous, as he is having and effect on her that she cannot control. It may scare her, while at the same time exciting her and turning her on.

It may take a long time or a short time for her to realise what she has seen/felt, when she does realise it will have a big effect on her.

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I agree fully with this.

That is why walking away is one of the most powerful things you can ever do to a woman.

DO NOT blow up or get emotional or get pissed at her.

Calmly say 'I am not enjoying this, so am not going to continue, have a nice life' and walk away (metaphorically) without looking back.

They will call you or knock on your door or at the very least wonder about you for YEARS!
If she has it inside her, she WILL thank you for it later, it is something she will ALWAYS remember.

(NOTE: I have had them come back 5/10/15/20 years later, track me down and thank me for giving them that wakeup call, even though they did not see it then at the time. They at some point see it. It confirms that nagging feeling they have had all along that things are not as they should be.
I have had some who that is all it takes for them to say to me 'take me or I will **** you here and now' while standing there in heat, getting hotter by the second )

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there is acase i my country were a 14yo girl put his father into jail for 24hours becase she said that he rape her, the only thing that the father did was punishing her for her bad notes n school, in the end she admited that she was lying.

about what kidd says, i remember and i still found mysef wanting women that are very different to my mother, women that look and act like bitches, i guess that was my way to rebel agaings her education

wow this is powerful stuff. Thank you very much Kidd and peregrinus.

Yes, the truth is a bitch and hard to accept- because so many guys are weak symps: it has become a women's world (for the most part). And as peregrinus pointed out:
even for the women who had a father in their life and he was involved in her life- most chances are that he was a symp father so she thinks that's how a man is supposed to be.


@Aztecsfinest

thanks for trying to help . I will tell you this: Japan is still a very male dominated society and girls in Japan are not raised like western girls- thus, they are not being told from a young age that they could get away with everything and that men will bow down to their will.

The reason that women in some parts of the world have more respect for men is because
of how they were raised and that they live in a male dominated society.

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Thanks for elaborating like I knee you would, 'Grinus...you and I are quite the 1-2 punch combo!

I agree with you on all counts per usual...and I also have successfully 'extracted' women in their 30's+, so I guess the more correct way to look at it is not from a physical age POV...but more of a psychological barometer of receptiveness POV. I was also alluding to the father factor you spelled out as well...if the man isn't wearing the pants, he is also just as worthless as not being there...actually causes MORE harm than being absent IMHO.

Well played, friend.

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Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!

I actually had no father around. He like, didn't care. Thanks god, because he is really simpy regarding women, as I figured out later.

Ow my feelings!:P

I'm going I'm going!

Although I mentioned fathers first, I was on to something!
Its nice to be appreciated!:P
I'm still thinking of the whole "run away" thing, that its better in different countries, but there's men getting girlfriends in this country, so why not me, I'm so awesome, so yeah its hooey.

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Don't be sexist, bitches hate that.

girls in Ireland have boyfriends and a sex life so there is no reason you can't be a part of it

Edit:
going to live abroad is not easy and not an option for everyone. There is not always work abroad.

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Good point fufe.

And as Kidd elaborates in this: Yup
I agree with this..

Some reach that maturity/realisation at a younger physical age, some at an older one.

They do have to have gone through certain experiences first in my view, different women experience these at differing ages.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.