I have not seen/bought any of Rion's products either, so I wouldn't know of his marketing/promise of results. Though on the NG guide he makes it clear enough that it works. In the beginning, these expectations were the death of me though. I sought and sought on the inside to recieve validation via reactions from women...Never recieved any. I distinctly remember one day at school, I was walking...not thinking of anything in particular. Didn't expect anything, even after I grounded the day before, and everyone was staring. Like full-on staring. That was my first experience with the effects of NG.
NG is what it is, regardless of the spin-offs Rion created, or what he calls it or whatever. It's still simple and straightforward.
I know, I've quoted Marcus a lot. I realize this, and I don't like to keep having to quote him, and I know everyone is sick of hearing his name, but the only reason I keep quoting him is because he has put what I'm trying to say, eloquently.
I felt the same way as you Shay. "Giving up women sounds rediculous. I'm not gonna get women by not wanting them, I don't care if I feel happy by myself, I still don't get women." The truth is that's not true though.
And it is kind of hard to see at first.
Women sense this energy. And like Kindred (lol, i'm dropping a new name!
) said, this shit works at such a tiny microscopic level. Nothing can be faked. It takes a leap of faith, and it is well worth it.
It's a cumulative effect. Besides, what's wrong with just being happy? Why should your existence be conditional? Women shouldn't be a goal. What kind of natural alpha puts getting the other sex as a goal? Palmy doesn't. James Bond doesn't. Yet what happens? EVERYONE is attracted to them.
If something can affect your mental state negatively, it has power over you.
"So what you're saying, Midnight, is that if Shay didn't expect so much from natural grounding, THEN he could expect better results from natural grounding. That IS what you're saying
"
No, I'm saying to not expect anything at all. Not that you should "try not to expect, only to expect later." That's still having expectations. I'm saying none at all. Like don't even think about results. Be happy with yourself/with a woman/without her. To your ego, it looks like you're losing sight of "what matters", but as a zen master said "I want nothing, and have everything"