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I'd like your opinion on that.

It kinda bends my head when thinking about it, I know at least two dudes like that. One is extreme example of obsequious displays of affection behavior that I have never seen before. Always thought it was a turn off for women but it works for him. Alpha fux, beta bux but I doubt she cheats on him. Can't find an explanation for it. He started that way and continued on but every time I talked with friends it always was a no-no when dealing with women. It never ended well. Maybe he fucks her real good or else... I don't know:/

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My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

If you absolutely must have some pussy, then you will do whatever it takes to get past security (intrigue, keep attention, fuck) then (hopefully) steal the ball later. If the ball steal is unsuccessful, you must either finish how you start or abort the mission. This shit is not rocket science.

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Yeah I know what you mean, but if he stays the same way (beta extreme) isn't her attraction to him going to die? Assuming ball stealing was unsuccessful. BTW I never seen so much ODA from a dude, I doubt he has slightest clue about the game.

I was always doing the masculine thing (however in LTRs went to beta - we all know what it meant) soit is kinda difficult to grasp for me.

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

I already spelled it out for you...if you wait long enough I'm sure some of the others will be along in short order to reframe what I said ad nauseum until you finally read what I said in a way that makes you feel better about it. So...just wait for it.

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Probably language problem;] so I'm wainting;]

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

I think the problem is that your confusing beta with effeminate/metro/bi-sexual behaviors.

Beta is the guy who will supplicate himself to women at every chance he gets.

Effeminate/metro/bi is the guy who acts more like a girl than a guy. Women have some natural alpha tendencies - they're selective, they make beta men qualify themselves, etc. Or if you look again at Kidd's Pimposophies - women often are natural pimps, because they have what the majority of men are desperate to get.

Just because a guy is talking about glee with a feather boa around his neck doesn't mean he's going to supplicate like mad to any women who gives him the time of day.

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Its good practice for us...

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More Mental Masturbation

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At some point, doing all the work just isn't worth the effort....

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yep!


Ohh and now I know where the confusion comes in my case with "finish how you start" - linguistic one: "continue how you start" is more clear. So if he agreed to terms of being beta, he has to stay that way. The way it sounded translated was that he has to end the relationship being nice as he was at the begging.

But isn't it the case, that women leave betas after a while, or go by the "alpha fux, beta bucks" rule later on?

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

Once started, you are forever finishing...much like once born, you are always dying. But whatever helps you out.

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Not sure what ODA means. But basically if you really to delve into it not that you need to but here is how it works. There is a stream of information a full spectrum say it's like a rainbow. With ball stealing and going along with surface level games what you are doing is saying here look at this small piece of the rainbow while everything else continues to happen under the surface.

Your not beta, your creating something for her to consciously focus on while the alpha works in her brain underneath the surface.

That masculinity your thinking you have is attachment to the outcome, it wouldn't waver at a certain point in the interaction unless your putting too much weight on weither or not she thinks your a man.

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yeah finally cleared it for me. But what with the other part of my question? Isn't being beta almost equal to relationship doom in the end? I understood that he might have got in their pants: but if he continue being beta later on, wont she get bored by him? Always thought that beta=equals doom unless he's got much more cash or is much better looking than the female.

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

ODA means obsequious displays of affection. Altair give me some time to digest and translate carefully what you have written:)

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

Internal / mindset > behavior.

All guys want to learn the behaviors and think if they perform certain actions and avoid others it communicates some particular thing.

There are always people who do things that "shouldn't" work, that are massively successful (in all fields) who seem to break rules because of where the behavior is coming from.

To me, it seems Kidd covers your other question.

It is also clear from both questions that you want a formula that says x thing always = x result (he is doing this behavior so she shouldn't like it. This other behavior means the relationship has to fail) - when dealing with two human beings who all have their own issues and a billion variables I've found it to be fairly useless pursuit. There are trends and general truths, which become self obvious. I prefer to put the energy on focusing on myself and being comfortable with doing what I want regardless of whose philosophies it goes against, which is deeply confronting and hard but proving more rewarding than learning a so called correct way to do things. This does not rule out learning from experts and what works of course but it is about where it is coming from. Some things may in fact work well, or some things you want to do/be may have statistically lower success rates, but NO amount of so called success with women is worth selling yourself out IMHO.

Basically, at least as I see it -- the foundational mindsets I've heard experienced guys here talk about are much deeper than behavior, and can manifest outwardly VERY differently depending on personality type, as one of the centerpieces is to not be editing yourself so heavily based on how you think others might perceive it.

Not sucking up to women and cutting your balls off is a natural outgrowth, no guy who gets comfortable and connected with himself would willingly do that, so behaviors that come from that place would naturally fall away which is why there seems to be so much common ground. They are not telling themselves "don't text that girl who is ignoring you 4 times in a row" because they are trying to do it the right way, it's just not something that would happen.

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Flow did I yet vocalised how much I love you (no homo) ?

That was good explanation to problem I suffered with for some time, as reiketer now is..

But deep down I knew that if said "fuck this naturalfreedom, if it works for them why do I have to try so hard", it wouldn't be worth it, because I was at the point where I knew that self-knowledge and making peace with myself is the only way to freedom, peace and unicornlands and that steaks may taste fine, but the meat slowly but surely ruins your health...
(I was scared to admit it, but I felt it)

agree, but isn't it also that behavior comes out from internal/mindset? Most beta behaviours come from inner fear. Most alpha behaviors come from confidence. Hence most of so called naturals don't even know what they are doing on external level.
Nah, it is something that I never did, and seeing it working is somewhat confusing. I wouldn't act like that, simply because it is not who I am. I always thought that masculine attracts feminine and so on. Seeing that being beta in relationship almost always backfired for the dude etc.
I agree that our mindset is always important, and some beta behaviour is very common in the first stages of relationships, but I can't imagine any alpha going to such extent just express his "undying love" for her and that "the most important thing for him is her love" (true examples).

I know one relationship where dude is beta, doing whatever his fat princess tells him, but on the other hand she would give her pussy to any other dude if anyone would want to fuck her. That I understand. Her value is so low that she settled for this guy.
The other one I know, as far as I know everything is fine (at first I thought that dude is not going to score it - was too nice, agreed with everything she said, for some time in the beginning I thought that he was just trying to do what Kidd said etc.) but she's the dominant one. Even on the photos first thing a girl that I'm banging now noticed that he leans over and she turns her back on him (bitches have good radar for such things). But it works.

The only thing I can say that is alpha about this dude is his calm - but it looks more that it comes out of his ignorance not self confidence. Like someone putting his head in mouth of a lion not knowing what lion is. It looks like a nice cat but will reap your head off. Like dude who's going for a girl thinking that being nice is the key to get the pussy, so he chooses not to see things real way.
agree, but the more I live the more I see those patterns (at least in field of female preferences) in almost every relationships I come across. Also the qualities that are attractive in a man we disscussed ont he forumseems almost universal.

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

Who said I'm suffering?:) It is like watching National Geographic channel and seeing that little spider making this huge web and thinking "how the hell did that little fucker pull that off?":)

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

I guess the tl;dr version is --

Since it comes from that anyway, focus all the energy on yourself and the mindset for you, since that is closer to the roots rather than analyze branches.

It is difficult to describe a *behavior* as inherently "alpha" or "beta" or whatever. On paper it's - the guy was publicly affectionate or did something like write poetry (!?) but where they are coming from is everything. The action itself is not what makes something alpha, beta, masculine, feminine etc. -- but ok yeah, the most important thing to me is my undying love for you hurts my skull to read But, who knows or really cares wtf is going on with those two in the end..

I'm with you about the qualities of men and there being themes that seem universal.

My take is, if what really determines the quality of a behavior is the mindset, and most of the behaviors come from mindset, and most of the actions come from mindset, I would put all of my attention on my own internal mindset, notice what *I* think is "alpha" or "beta" and see if that's really true or if it's a projection of mine.. seeing some people get away with things, or focusing on the behaviors themselves and wondering about whether or not it is "masculine game" or "feminine" game just seems like, as 'Grinus said, mental masturbation and just not the best use of time.

I agree it can be interesting, and I see where you are coming from. Understanding why example X works with example Y and his potentially batshit crazy girlfriend just may not really affect the fundamental work to be done at all and may actually just be a shiny distraction..

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Exactly! chupacabra in real life

If it wasn't so over the top I wouldn't even bother. Have you ever seen alpha doing that???


WTF


to me this guy is beta if not omega. I really tried to find any excuse for him. I thought when I would do such thing and the only thing that came to my mind was when I was 16, maybe seventeen all in love with that girl from highschool. Guess how well did it work for me then;)
I know what Kidd is talking about,that concept is sometimes called "beta reassurance during alpha game". Totally agree.
BTW I asked that chick I mentioned before about this whole thing (she's much closer to them than me) and she said that this girl is trying to "man him up", she told him to stop it etc.

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

Still not sure why you are so fascinated with this guy - maybe I missed something.

It's not like it's rare for a guy who is not mr. badass alpha guy to have sex or a girlfriend. There are literally hundreds of millions of cases like this.. AND the girl might even be hot.. AND she might actually not be cheating on him.

The point of all of this stuff goes WAY beyond success with women. It's not like it is a pre-requisite to having any women in ones life ever.

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