Kindred mentioned on one of his posts that he was already a PUA who had success with women, he just wanted to take things to the next level.
I also know that a lot of the stuff Marcus wrote on realm are things that I have already heard from other teachers and saw similar things on Zan's forum, Brent's forum or other forums.
But try telling that to the dorks on realm who whorship him and coronated him as their new Guru. Even though he left realm ages ago they just keep circling around his old posts, talking in his name But not getting any results themselves.....
Well, I must admit that the Mr.Marcus posts are STILL the most valuable topics in the Relm forum. His concept is THE one but he didn't make it applyable. I'm thankful for Marcus, he wrote so much and wanted to help the other people to get where he was aswell but he couldn't say what to do. One of the only things he had was his affirmation "I don't want anything from anybode, never" which is a bad one. I did it daily for minutes for weeks. Its a negative affirmation and there's nothing concrete in that affirmation so things won't change at all and you won't change at all when you only do that affirmation.
I don't think that we can't blame the people (include me here too back then) who really read the Marcus stuff over and over and want to not want anymore. Said in other words: Natural Grounding is, for the very most guys, not the magical key to success with women and success in life. Some didn't even get emotional or find an access. NG is cool to have a good time, to reconditione yourself to another, unmasked picture of women but it won't bring you the attention from women you're looking for.
Oh my... While writing this post I realised something: Remember guys the Natural Awakening Forum. It basically was a natural Grounding forum. almost everyone did grounding, when someone had problems, the answer was "Just do your grounding". I even attached to most of my posts a "Keep on grounding" at the end.
Now I realise how much I myself have benefited from the fall of the old forum, really. Away from that dogmativ Natural Grounding stuff (not the grounding himself but the worshipping of it as a goddess...).
@ Create: When you left the old forum I was kind of disappointed about you, I must admit. But now I understand you COMPLETELY. I mean staying in a forum where all the guys only tell you "Just keep natural grounding" and you don't get any positive aspects from it for months would be really daft.
I'm really thankful for that forum and all the guys here, we're closer, as a community, to what we aim for than ever