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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:42 pm 
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Hello everyone,

i'm happy to join this forum, i hope i will be able to give and receive useful information. I have a question about Natural Grounding please. I have been practicing N.G. regularly since about 1.5-2 months, and it does give me a good feeling like i always read. I have noticed certain changes that i'm going through:
-i became with time much more emotional than i used to be before.
-unlike before, when i now see women wearing exposing clothes and having alot of make up on their faces ("social" women), or women involved in pornography, i immediately have the need to look away, it gives me some kind of bad feeling to see such women.
-when looking at women, i always used to look at their bodies, sometime even before i look at their faces! Now i noticed that i unconsciously focus on their behaviour and character. Looking at their bodies gives me this bad feeling too, now i don't (or somehow can't) do it anymore.
Could anyone please tell me if this is normal? Am i doing this the right way?

Thanks. Best wishes to all..


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:49 pm 
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welcome Barca,

we already have a lot of threads about natural grounding on this section of the forum.
in general I get the feeling you are trying to repress something (maybe I'm wrong).
When I look at women's bodies and don't feel like it's a problem then it's not...
In the past when I used to feel guilty about it- it only became stronger.

Natural grounding (in my opinion) won't stop your lust for women's bodies or sex. The only thing that will help (again in my opinion): if you accept it and not feel guilty about it.

where are you from BTW?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:05 pm 
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Hello Sniper,

thank you for your reply. I understand what you say, but honestly i don't think that i feel guilty about looking at womens' bodies. I used to do it all the time, and i didn't have the intension to change that, until i began to repel it spontaneously after practicing N.G. for a while. When looking at women i do it in an egoless way (i.e. my head doesn't tell me that i should or shouldn't look).
Speaking of ego, i totally agree with you on this part:

"Natural grounding (in my opinion) won't stop your lust for women's bodies or sex. The only thing that will help (again in my opinion): if you accept it and not feel guilty about it."

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:35 am 
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Hey man, welcome to the forum. In my opinion whats happening right now is you are starting to value women on something other than big tits or a nice ass. Now don't get me wrong, women's bodies are fantastic and as men we WILL be attracted to this, its biological. But big tits and a nice ass doesn't mean shit if this woman lacks substance. Which leads me to my next point. A girl dressing sexy does NOT always mean "social", putting labels on people is dangerous. These women dress like that to get attention, whether they admit to it or not. Some will be bitchy, and others will be very nice. So just enjoy their bodies, don't worry about it.

Also I'd like to give you a little insight on NG. Continue with it if you want, but I just want to let you know my perspective on it. NG for me did two things. One, it reshaped how I thought about women and what kind character I should actually look for. Two, it healed some issues I had, but I might have imagined this and it could have been placebo. For purpose number one, its does a really good job. Purpose number two, not so much. NG is essentially like meditation, you watch the videos to distract your conscious mind in order to allow old emotions to come up and purge from your body. But, its not going to heal all your issues or make you a super magnet to women. I went through a couple of stages with NG.

1. Oh man, this is the answer I finally figured out everything!
2. Getting some results, this is interesting.
3. Realizing NG isn't gonna take me that far thinking about quitting
4. Denial, saying to myself I just need to do more or do it better
5. Acceptance and realizing NG wasn't going to help me as much as I thought

Thats just my experience anyway. Who knows maybe NG will make you a super chick magnet. If it happens awesome, good for you! But if you come to the conclusion that nothing is happening or you are wasting your time, don't hesitate to drop NG. I wish I had sooner because I was still holding on to it expecting miracles, miracles that would never happen for me. Like I said though, thats just me and I encourage you to discover on your own.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:29 pm 
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Barca, I too am doing NG and whatever may be said about it, even it's biggest critics would agree that it eliminates the urge to watch porn and masturbate. When I feel like a want to watch porn (and I feel it like a strong desire in my body), I just open one of the videos and after watching SNSD for a few seconds it calmes down. I don't know why, but obviously it's a healthy thing, everyone would agree that porn is like poisen to our sexuality.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:19 pm 
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Hello freespirit422,

thanks for your opinion and experiences mate, this could help me alot for sure. I think (just like you said) that i'm beginning to value the feminine character which women have. This is by the way something i believe in since long time, but back then i somehow didn't find any support so to say, almost every man i know values women based on their bodies, and being part of the society i was affected by it and its thoughts. After being involved in N.G., i found the support i needed. I am gradually beginning to change my understanding of women's femininity, or in other words going back to my old self as i will mention later.

About N.G., if i may ask, for how long did you practice it? For sure you can be right as you said that N.G. might not work for everyone. But in my opinion, N.G. has lots of positive effects that can work for everyone. One of them for example is that it really plays a role in silencing our ego (a point i find very important). Silencing ego, as Eckhart Tolle says in his book The Power of Now, leads to enlightment and to a much more conscious and awake state of mind. Although i'm still a beginner, this point helped me improve some aspects of my life so far. Another thing, i think N.G. helps us to be in touch with our emotions. Combining silencing your ego with being in touch with emotions can give you (among other things) a great sense of inner peace. I for one have now usually a very delightful feeling when i'm outside, something i have never experienced before. Even after a long tiring day, i just try to free my mind and open myself up to the world around me. It really makes me appreciate and enjoy life more.

Now about N.G. and its role in being attractive to women. From a personal experience, i am 100% sure that it works (at least for me). You might explain it in another way, but i think it has some connection to this whole subject. You might not believe this mate, i'm now 23 years old, and until i was 18-19, i didn't watch one single moment of pornography, and didn't practice autoeroticism/masturbation not even once (up to a point where i was unfortunately brainwashed by friends :) ). I used to love and adore women because i thought they were (in general) pure and innocent, at least in comparison to many of us men. I even remember feeling very emotional when looking at innocent girls, just sensing how pure they are, and that was pretty much the way i looked at women. I'm by the way a normal looking guy, but the results and the success i got with girls at that time were really undescribable, sometimes even unexplainable! Girls would approach me the whole time, i got dozens of phone numbers and requests for "private time", even from girls who were older than me at school (and i used to think that such girls were too good for me!). My God i even remember a married school teacher of mine who used to blush and get shy when i talk to her! I used to have long eye contact with girls the whole time, everywhere i go. And other than to exist, i did practically nothing at all.

I always wondered how come i was very successful with women, and how come i lost it suddenly as i went to college (this was the time were i was becoming addicted to pornography). Now i see it all clearly.

Sorry for talking too much :). Best wishes my friend..


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:30 pm 
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Hello Bonder,

well said mate, i am experiencing exactly the same thing, which is probaby why i find it rather unpleasing to look at women involved in pornography. I find pornography somehow impure, which is more than enough for me to quit it. On the other hand, women like Palmy or SNSD are clearly pure and innocent, and just like you said, looking at them is healthier than watching porn.

Thanks for your reply. Good luck with N.G..


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:10 pm 
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Barca wrote:
But in my opinion, N.G. has lots of positive effects that can work for everyone. One of them for example is that it really plays a role in silencing our ego (a point i find very important). Silencing ego, as Eckhart Tolle says in his book The Power of Now, leads to enlightment and to a much more conscious and awake state of mind
How can Asian music videos work on silencing our ego? :|
(hooey)
Eckhart Tolle's book is great but you can't silence the ego with Asian music videos (Just like Tantra is not sqeezing your pipi to Thai music videos)

don't fall for that maketing pitch

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:51 pm 
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Hello Sniper,

:), that's not what i meant. Listening to music or watching videos alone won't silence your ego, that's for sure. As i read about N.G. (and this makes sense to me), when watching videos of natural women, you should watch them in a total egoless state of mind. You shouldn't think or analyse anything while watching. At first i didn't do it like that, i either tried to force emotions out of me, or i was too busy thinking and analysing, and both these points represent my ego. After reading The Power of Now, i tried not to think about anything while watching, and just be "present". This form of silencing my ego has helped me be more open to feminine energy while watching videos. It is as if there was some kind of barrier between me and those women. Now i can sense their energy so to say much more than before.

Another thing, some of the people who practice N.G., do it to have success with women as a priority. When they go out, they wait for reactions from women and want to be approached. As i read very often, N.G. can help you attract women, only if you stop wanting anything from them (in other words only if you silence your ego).

For a guy like me who until a couple of months ago wasn't really familiar with ego and spirituality issues, this has helped me alot, and changed the way i look at many aspects. I guess i should have mentioned in my previous post that N.G. is helping "me" in someway to silence my ego, because may be this isn't the case for everyone.

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Shay, it's easy to say that it's ridiculous to expect success with women by watching asian music clips, but of course there is more to that. From my experience, the change that you experience through NG is by appreciating women's natural authentic behaviour, and therefore gradualy eliminating the desire to get sex and approval from them. Your focus changes on just loving women and enjoying being with them. I got back to doing NG only a week ago and I finally can "see" what Rion was talking about - I will update if there is any breakthrough.

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Ok Barca and Bonder I see your point ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:50 pm 
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Hey Barca to answer your question about NG and how long I did it for. Maybe about 2 years. Yup, a lot of reconditioning. Like you I always saw the femininity in women before I even started NG. I was never interested in porn, I found it repulsive and time consuming. So NG just confirmed my belief that there is a different side to women that gets neglected by men sometimes and thats why some of them end up so closed off and bitchy, they don't want to get hurt again by some asshole. I really like NG, but it never helped with anxiety or my limiting beliefs that are holding me back.

But if it works for you, like I said awesome. I'm sure if I didn't have so much anxiety and confidence issues around women I'd have way more results from NG. I wish NG fixed that, but I did it a very long time and saw very little gain. I believe my problem stems much deeper and thats why I'm using subliminal audio to change my unconscious behaviors and limiting beliefs.

Overall I'd say use what works for YOU. Forget what others have to say and learn to trust yourself. I had in the past tried to utilize Eckhart Tolle's teachings to deal with my issues, but it didn't work out so well. Nobody has the answers to everything, Eckhart Tolle could be completely wrong, or he could be completely right. Enlightenment could be a lie, it could be a continual concept brought up in order to get people to keep following spiritual teachings and be outcome oriented. Or enlightenment could be right here, right now, it was never lost and it never had to be gained, it only had to be acknowledged, there is no reaching for attainment of enlightenment. And now I'll step off the stage and stop preaching :lol:

In short, don't blindly follow the teachings of gurus. Use your judgment and acknowledge if this truly brings value to your life or if it is just promoting a false hope. I always ask myself this question when I am confused about what to do with myself, "Would I rather be right or be happy?" We can follow the teachings of others as much as we want because we think it is the right path, but if it truly does not bring happiness why would we do such a thing?


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:12 am 
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freespirit422 wrote:
Overall I'd say use what works for YOU.

Forget what others have to say and learn to trust yourself.

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freespirit422,

thanks for your advices buddy. I had by the way many doubts about N.G., and at the beginning it (apart from valuing the feminine nature of women) didn't convince me at all. I couldn't really believe that one can meditate and somehow change by watching asian videos. But then as i started practicing it and as time passed by, i began to notince some difference in me, that's where i believed in it. So you're absolutely right, one should choose what works for the ownself.

As for the anxiety issues, since you're trying to do something about it, i'm sure you'll be able to achieve improvements, even if it takes time. I wish you best of luck.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:24 pm 
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Barca wrote:
So you're absolutely right, one should choose what works for the ownself.
Successful people make a choice, and then work on making that choice right.

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Jared wrote:
Barca wrote:
So you're absolutely right, one should choose what works for the ownself.
Successful people make a choice, and then work on making that choice right.

Hello Jared,

i respect your opinion, but i think making the right choice can lead you much more easily to success.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:36 pm 
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Good.

About women´s bodies. (love ´em but...)

At this point, I am all about the Energy and behavior and
Character in women, and zero response to her body, no
matter how she has worked it up, no matter how "hot" she
is, no matter how she tries to showcase it.

My Reality is stronger than the matrix and sexploitation default
reality. (no TV for over 2 years + near 1 000 hours of NG)

This is a manageable thing. Hundreds of years ago, men
glorified more fat women, over skinny ones, the ones that
were not fat or "prosperous", were not considered attractive.
They were the turn-offs back then.

That recent Davidx interview misses a bigger view of Reality.
You can live in whatever Reality you choose to live in, because
you have a Relational Character.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:55 pm 
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Jared wrote:
That recent Davidx interview misses a bigger view of Reality.
You can live in whatever Reality you choose to live in, because
you have a Relational Character.
but Jari the shaman, are you forgetting that You said in your area code almost all women are very natural?

it's easy to say: it does not matter where you are but it's bullshit for the most part, geography is a very importent factor.....

Rion and Eteinne also like to travel a lot (maybe not only for the women but I'm sure it's a part of the reason....)

for example:
let's say I was living in a small town with many women and very few men.
do you think it would be easy?

Read the Kidd's post about his time in Korea. If anyone of us would be in the same situation I'm sure no one will have as much success.

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Man´s Character is the most important factor.

MAN´s Character

Because sex is all about the woman.

Kidd!!´s advice on ´what likes you´ is the truth, and
sometimes women don´t show clear signs but that
shouldn´stop you from connecting with women.

I think you already know it. ;)

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About a larger view, of the Nature of Reality itself.

If you meet 3-4 women easily, you see that the
5th and the 6th women will follow quite naturally,
it´s like a zone you enter in, and operate from a
different State.

The world of relationships/abundance opens to you.
Everywhere you go, you start getting all kind of
crazy attraction/action.

The State stays on you when you realize that it is
about giving, truly realize it in your deepest core.
And enjoying.

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