Okay, then.. Let's continue
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
A certain religion also killed about that many in India as well, but you don't ever hear about that.
Yeah, and not only that. They converted the entire Afghanistan to Islam (it was a Buddhist country prior), many antient Buddhist temples destoyed as well.
Aurangzeb were also about to convert all(!) the Hindus to Islam by simply taking their priests (the Hindu priests from Kashmir) - the rest would have to follow their priests. It was the 9th Guru, Guru Tegh Bahadur, that gave his head, to save them, in Delhi (in 1675).
As the saying goes.. "all it takes for evil to prosper, is for good people to do nothing".
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
The way that territories in the middle east were divided up after WW1 by the British also has lead to increasing instability because they put a lot of tribes together that don't get along. Britain is also openly arresting Christian preachers currently.
By design, so they won't rise up.
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
God also created the nations when he confounded their languages at the tower of Babel. Which the EU believes btw because they modeled their headquarters after paintings of what the tower of Babel was thought to look like.
That's so interesting. Yeah, our Wisdom says something similar. That earth was divided between 9 sons, one named "Bharat" (another name for Greater India).
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
The point I was trying to make with Christian countries is that to the degree that they are Christian they are prosperous and nice places to live.
Ugh. You have to look at the bigger picture. Yeah, Canada is a great country to live in. So was Libiya, until the were looted by [...]
Also, in Uganda, the Christians are burning gays alive. Put a PR spin on that.
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
The Bible teaches all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and that there is one that does good not one.
Yeah, and that Wisdom is wrong (!). Having that kind of mindset, is part of the problem - I can't believe you cannot see it.
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
The rise of Christianity in the European countries has taken humanity to heights it has never previously known.
Meh. Not impressed.
It's NOT built on Righteousness ("Dharma"), and that's why you are seeing the cracks. It's built on Greed and Un-Righteousness ("Adharma"), and hence there are so many different Red Pills.
You see what is happeing in Medicine, Food industry, Banking, Divorce Courts, Family Life, Media & Entertainment intrustry etc etc. The Military Industry complex.. how many millions have been killed?
So what heights?
I suggest you read about the "Kingdom of Punjab". An egalitarian state, with the lowest illiterate rates ever recorded. Everything was better, and no forms of slavery or even taxes (!).
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
They're far from perfect because the people in them are far from perfect, so you're concluding that since they have done bad things which is what we're told people will do that the scriptures are wrong?
I know that the scriptures are wrong (read: not the full truth).
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Again, there may be some truth in the Bible - in fact that I can say for certain as well, that there is some truth (and some untruth) in the Bible.
No, the conclusion didn't come from that. "Corrupt tree =/ good fruit etc.", where me merely trying to use your Wisdom against you.
Sure, no human is perfect (apart from Guru and God). What I am saying is this, following an ideology which says:
1. Believe in this, and all your sins are forsaken, because Jesus has somehow died for your sins (where is the logic?).
2. Furtheremore, you can't rise above your sins
3. Point 1 and 2, isn't that just an incentive to keep on sinning even more?
4. Slavery is cool
5. Kill the gays.
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
If you dig into the Pagan religions that dominate Europe prior to the influence of Christianity you would see the good it has done for the world. Also look into Moloch who was a god that the real God hated in the OT.
That might be true, even though history is often written by the victorors.
Also, it all depends on what your criteria is. When the prince of Kingdom of Punjab 9 years old.. the British queen had him snatched of his mother, brought to England and forcefully converted to Christianity.
While, the 9th Guru and 3 of his Sikhs, gave their life, to save Hinduism from extincion (a theology which they didn't even agree with, because they worship statues etc.). And all of them gave their life happily. Why? Because the were living in that experience - Naam - the experience of Oneness.
Now your Bible says that is impossible, but we have many other such examples. The fault lies in the Wisdom you are preaching.
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
Besides the scriptures also go against what you would expect the church to say for their own benefit. The salvation of your soul is a free gift, it's not bought with tithes, or by doing good works. The actions you take in your live are a reflection of the inner transformation that takes place when you forsake your sin. They're the fruits of your transformation.
You are losing me.. so you can forsake your sin?
Altair wrote: * | Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:38 pm |
Let me ask you this then. Can you fix your own heart? Has all the mediation and inner work got to the deepest roots of yourself? It didn't for me.
Yes, you can. It is a Dicipline, sometimes you fall, then you pick yourself up again. I will be lying if I said I am always there, but I have seen glimses of that experience.
The most important step is surrendering you Ego(ism), to someone greater than yourself, to your Guru. A Guru is someone who takes you from dark ("Gu") to light ("Ru") - Enlightenment.