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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:20 pm 
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Warning!! natural grounding can actually screw your success with women, If you are doing it like Rion suggested.

I thought a lot if I should post this or not cause for some it will be hard to accept.
heck even I had a hard time accepting this myslef. however bare with me and of course feel free to think I'm wrong :)

First I'll point this out: If you are doing natural grounding like Me and 'way of a natural' (from the forum) are doing it: just as a reminder- to remind ourselves what traits to look for in women and As a reminder of what a woman's true nature is (after years of bad conditioning by popular media)- That is Ok, not harmful and even good. We are also not doing it for hours and hours, I'm doing it once in a while when I feel like it for 10-15 minutes tops.

Now why would it screw your sucess to do it like Rion suggested, I'll explain.

First a little foreword,
peregrinus had a great post in here of why the tagging of women just accroding to natural social or inner might be a bad idea. A woman for example can be 80% natural but also have 40% inner traits because she uses them in her work place. Example: I had a teacher at my
university which is a lawyer so when she is in court she is tough (like an inner alpha) however when I talked to her in private after class and asked her some questions about the exam she was very feminine. I actually told her that I can't beleive she is a lawyer because I thought all women lawyers were tough and not feminine, she laughed and told me that when she is in court she is, but when she is with her husband she is very feminine (Not all women know to separate between work and home But some do....).

Another example:Violet Marcell, Johnny Soporno's porn star girl friend is also 80% social because of the buisness she is in, but I would say she has 80% natural character too, which she shows often in pictures (most porn stars don't show their natural side in public pictures).

Now peregrinus also noted that some women in the west are natural but will not show it in public places cause they don't feel 'safe' to show it in public (our western society says it's not Ok to be feminine casue it's weak...) But when you are alone with them they will show it.
So you might not see it when you talk to her in a public place but when you are alone with her you will see she is not who she is when you first met her and made first interaction..

Ok now let's get to the bottom of why it might screw your success if you do it like Rion said:

Rion said that you need to submit\surrender to female energy while grounding. Here is a question I asked Rion on the realm forum-

Me: 'Rion, you mentioned something about surrendering to female energy while grounding. But if I do that wouldn't it mean to hand over my power? lose my relational independence'?

Rion: 'SURRENDERING to their natural power is what gets you back in natural alignment so yes, let your ego go knowing it's ok to absolutely SUBMIT to a natural alpha woman'.


Now this may sound good and true, however it is Not!!
'The Kidd' mentioned that by doing this you are conditioning yourself to be the response and not the stimulus, the way it is meant to be by nature. Thus, when you see a natural woman and get in relation with her She will have the power and not you.

I can look back on from my own personal experience when I met a few women who had natural character and I was able to bring it out from them due to my awareness. Most men in my country don't have a clue about natural character and what it is, so you might think these women should be all over me because I know the secret.
Wrong, I did bring out their natural character but they were not attracted because they were the stimulus and I was the response to them.

Now if you are grounded in your reality very strong (like The Kidd, Corry Sky or David X)
a woman will open up her natural character to you And you will be the stimulus and have the power. I think peregrinus and Jari the shaman also know it and that's why it happens to them as well. peregrinus does not even do natural grounding.......

Another point: when you do too many hours of natural grounding you are reprograming your subconscious (without even knowing it) that only Asian women are what you should look for.
what you focus on is what you will see in your reality, thus- you might always think that western women will never be feminine like Thai women and if you will come accrose a natural western woman, you won't even see it anymore.

So if I could give you a final conclusion, it's like The Kidd said and I agree:

natural grounding, if done like Rion teaches- is not the ticket out of the social matrix in the west. It's just another system of control that will not empower you but make you powerless.

It is a social matrix program like the other programs- only a different kind.
(note- if you do Rion's 'Top grounding' which is to wack off to Asian females music videos, that is going to screw your success even more, Big time)

Oh and there is this myth on Realm that natural grounding will help you reach non ego states or even enlightenment. All those 'non ego' states Rion 'thinks' he had with NG are very much ego states. If he had more knowledge in eastern philosophy he would know that non ego states can't happen from watching some Thai music videos.
And as far as enlightenment, Palmy is not a Zen master that will pop out of my computer screen and make me reach enlightenment :lol:

As far as healing, if some people find it a healing experience- great. Personaly I think there are much more effective methods like Sedona, EFT, etc.....
I mean Palmy is a very cute singer from Thailand and a great woman. But is she a healer?
is it really going to 'heal' anything if I look at her music videos? :| :?
guess you already know what I think about this subject. ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:59 am 
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Maybe Mr.Williams took her too seriously, judging by her first name and all. ;)

This reminds me of a funny movie I saw Raging Hormones, the guy was like "the way I see it you got 2..no...3 choices: your left hand, your right hand, or a hooker".

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create wrote:
Maybe Mr.Williams took her too seriously, judging by her first name and all. ;)
what do you mean?
took Palmy too seriously?

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I love this post, I couldn't find a way to organize my thoughts like that though. Create's making a joke about Palmy and jerking off lol.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:14 am 
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Morpheus wrote:
I love this post, I couldn't find a way to organize my thoughts like that though. Create's making a joke about Palmy and jerking off lol.
Oh, :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:37 am 
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Palmy? Isn't that Hanna Palmer's nickname? ;)

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Morpheus wrote:
I love this post, I couldn't find a way to organize my thoughts like that though. Create's making a joke about Palmy and jerking off lol.
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Palmy? Isn't that Hanna Palmer's nickname? ;)
I was reffering to her first name Eve, Adam and Eve, being the woman to lead us all to salvation or some bullshit according to Rion.

But the Palmy pun's got that beat. :lol:

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I love Palmy, I've a sudden urge to "Last Measure"....

Maybe I shouldn't be here.

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Reflecting back on a year and a half of NG I'm very happy with the results I have got, many of which I never would have got from running "game".

For me the best results came from the very intense grounding sessions where I was really submitting to the natural sexuality of women.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:38 am 
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Seek wrote:
Reflecting back on a year and a half of NG I'm very happy with the results I have got, many of which I never would have got from running "game".

For me the best results came from the very intense grounding sessions where I was really submitting to the natural sexuality of women.
I think (as I wrote) that submitting is bad :?
but if you feel it has done good for you, cheers

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Actually Rion said you can reach enlightened states I'll back Shay up on that, and Eastern philosophy does have value

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:30 am 
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I love Palmy, I've a sudden urge to "Last Measure"....

Maybe I shouldn't be here.
:lol:


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El-Chameleon wrote:
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In the under-37 set there are actually more men
I don't see numbers or percentages here.
And it's supposed that the CIA doesn't have to lie on this. I don't see any cause for them to do that.

But if you want, let's cut all that here. 8-)
It needs to be cut because ultimately these hard statistical facts are irrelevant...much like bullets in the Matrix.

Shay, you had a chance to elaborate on your perception of your environment, and instead you come back with even more numbers? You basically fell into the Lizards frame, you dunce. :?

El-Chameleon 1, Shay 0

I am disappoint. :|

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:18 pm 
Let's forget NG, I think this forum is for talking about other things. And I think everybody could agree on that.

Leave NG to RELM forum.


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The Kidd!! wrote:
It needs to be cut because ultimately these hard statistical facts are irrelevant...much like bullets in the Matrix.

Shay, you had a chance to elaborate on your perception of your environment, and instead you come back with even more numbers? You basically fell into the Lizards frame, you dunce. :?

El-Chameleon 1, Shay 0

I am disappoint. :|
Well it's like you said Kidd, ;)

'Even if it was 1:1 ratio it's just numbers.

It doesn't take into account married vs single, obese vs fit, attractive vs unattractive, educated vs non-educated, etc...it is really not as cut and dried like El-Chameleon is painting it...not to mention the various social norms and factors'.

Since El-Chameleon does not live here and only looks at numbers on the screen I think it's pointless to elaborate on this. But I also showed you the statistics that in my age range there are more men than women.

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I call BULLSHIT! on all the recent posts in this thread.

This whole thread is full of so many self limiting beliefs it is not funny anymore.

Shay, they are still there, they are hiding in plain sight right in front of you.
Ok, there may not be tons of them but there are certainly enough in close proximity to your life to give you a different one each day of the week (7)..... Surely that is enough.

Think - of all the women you see during your weekly travels, 7 is such a small number, yet that would keep your hands full :) I would like to see you juggle more than that number on a regular basis, you would be worn out.

Numbers are irrelevant as regards how many in the population, that is a social matrix scam, it is pulling the veil over your eyes and trying to remove the hope you have within you.

Please can we end this discussion about numbers and how target poor your environment is, it is not helping you, it is hurting you more than it helps as it gives you excuses. They are out there and around you, learn to spot them better so when you see them you are aware of it.

If you live near a city then your environment is a lot more target rich than mine currently.

THEY ARE THERE!

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