thank you, but curiosity arises: where did the kidd come from?

I'm overwhelmed with which teacher to learn from. Opinions?

i re-read pimposophy(putting my ego aside) and it's funny how everything we talk here is allready written there, i realized that it was very advanced for me and that's why i did'nt see the whole picture before, so i reccomend to start from there and swallow the red pill, also there are alot of valuable post here

Hello, TheDude. Why people will blindly listen to Zan/Rion and yet question me incessantly is something I will never understand.

Ah well...here, I know what you need...a success story.

Here ya go: http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1091

I hope you find what you are looking for here.

Because Rion and Zan sugarcoat things and you do not. You say look at yourself and they pull your pee pee to thai music and whatever Zan does.
It's the same mindset that fuels acai berry. Instead of diet.

This is a long post, but I go through my experience with the material of several "natural teachers".

I wouldn't recommend Zan either. I was part of the Amorati and while in the program no one had any success. Like Sniper says, at face value Zan's message is about being the hopeless romantic and about fully expressing those desires.

What he fails to make a strong point on, is that he is indifferent and doesn't care. I recall only reading one of his posts where he briefly mentioned he wasn't attached to the outcome. However, he went all poet and called this "dancing in the moment" instead of just putting it out there bluntly for everyone to understand.

That is why you see Zan's students going around like Pepe le Pew involved in a fantasy romantic trance where all women fart pixie dust. Zan even mentioned that those who think this is his message are "spectacularly missing the point."

Obviously! In coming across as the modern day casanova he takes away all practical value of his teachings and it becomes a philosophy kind of like fantasy where all women are adored. He even mentions all women are like little girls wanting their dad's attention.

Skip it. Or if you look into it, just take it as seriously as you would when reading a romance novel or watching a soap.

Rion is full of crap. I doubt he is successful with women as he says he is. Mr. "I am so funny and the most fun guy in the room" talks a lot but it seems to me he doesn't really measure up.

I checked out his FB profile and he is just seen making try-hard bad ass poses. Being from Latin America I wasn't impressed with his album from Colombia. He was shown around 3 women who I am sure are either prostitutes or just women looking for high rolling tourists. Definitely not average or high quality women.

As for Brent he is very direct about his teachings, but as was discussed in this forum, he relies too much on using affirmations and visualizations for success. If you haven't really released or let go of wanting approval, love and neediness then it won't work for you. Brent's teachings are not meant to be used as techniques to get women, because they won't work for you without the proper foundations.

The only mainstream teachers that are the most pragmatic in my opinion are Assanova and Aaron Sleazy. They come across like regular guys who figured it out and are not wanting to shove products down your throat even though they do sell ebooks and stuff. Both of them provide the exact same message as the Kidd.

Sleazy says seduction is simple. Look for a woman who likes you, approach and don't fuck it up. It's that simple. Assanova says the exact same thing, about observing and looking out to those women who are checking him out. Then he just swoops in, approaches and is direct about his intentions. Both of them are big about not caring or giving a crap.

Look around and judge for yourself. The information in this forum is top notch and best of all, no one is seeking to leech off your wallet. I trust this source more than anything else because of that. Always use a big a filter for the tons of crap, and shy away people telling you to behave in x, y or z way in order to get something from women