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Someone sent me this link in a PM:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wom ... _242514769

Read and discuss

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

I've always had feeling about people who likes movies like SAW, that they must have very violent side inside themselves.. I can't watch human suffering for long, I didn't last even 15 minutes of the movie
They exist ? UNICORNS
I read that Washington was impotent and coped with it by his military achievements. The topic of sexual arousal/energy influencing the need (want) to achieve things in life is interesting

I disagree. Porn is a stimulus, with such an easy access like nowadays it needs to get stronger over time. So it is not 'those people' - it is most people.

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Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!

http://yourbrainonporn.com/

I'd recommend looking through that website. Lot's of interesting stuff there.

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Take it easy, man. But take it.

I was not aware of this fact! definitely noted

I what I got from the article is message that men should stop treating themselves as the victim, and man up, know yourself and accept.

Good article.
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Completely agree with the article. Not to dissuade others here from their path, but I have tried out the no-porn and nofap challenges and found it to be not worth it. And transmuting sexual desire into some other pursuit like money or art or whatever seems pointless, since I don't value any of that.

Imo, porn is an easy way to spend time if you are horny and have nothing else to do. I find it very educational, easy way to work on my observation skills, and recent years have seen some of best quality porn and pornstars ever. Girls like Malena Morgan or Lily Carter are just amazing to watch, and depriving myself of the performances they are happily putting out, in the hope that it will reduce my chances of ED with the next 'real' girl seems dumb and too much effort for too little reward.

It also forces me to confront topics like jealousy, i.e how comfortable would I be with fucking or having a relationship with girls like that. Imagine being able to say to a girl 'i'll want to fuck you even if you'd just fucked every other guy in this bar'. I saw one girl test her guy for jealousy at a bar (by slow dancing, touching, sitting on the lap and finally making out with a handsome but obviously gay guy) and the pain he was going through was apparent to all who noticed. Me, I'd have been taking pictures and posting them on facebook and making fun of them as being such a cute couple or something.

If I happen to get a fuck buddy one of these days, it seems to me my porn use will naturally go down. If it doesn't, then it is what it is. I dont need any excuses.

If YOU are addicted to porn, that's your issue -- to do some honest exploration on what is going on there.. IF you see it as a 'problem' or affecting things in your life.

If YOU are at the point where you can't have real sex because it takes watching something that would probably get you arrested to get half an erection, same thing.

Porn does not have inherent super powers. Yes the ease of access to it can be bad news for someone with a set of "issues" that will lead to obsession/addiction, but that again is your issue.

No porn / masturbation etc is a good challenge if you feel you are "powerless" against it. That is more about personal power, setting a goal and reaching it, taking charge against an addiction if you believe you are addicted.. probably some re-wiring will take place if you were genuinely addicted (you can be addicted to anything - porn is not magic, just tied into something highly powerful and repressed/distorted for a lot of men in the sex drive)

As someone who has done that for periods of 90+ days, I can say I've gotten some good insights out of it -- it too is often romanticized like you are going to have this insane energy or masculinity or something. I have not seen a real noticeable difference between my real sex life / attraction from women when I have abstained vs. not.

As ahk said porn can actually be extremely powerful tool -- I know other guys who have used it to notice/release huge attachments, projections etc that get triggered from it. You can literally observe everything that goes on inside of you. You can have this whole giant fantasy mechanism triggered and as you let go and see it for what it is, suddenly you realize you are just watching a girl have sex - all the "energy" about it was from you.

You give everything the meaning it has. Porn is no different. You can substitute just about any word for "porn" in that title and it applies We are not talking about child slave labor or some issue with true victims here.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXz8xMaJi4

@ fufe: If you're really interested in this, and haven't yet done so, look up 'sex transmutation' by Napoleon Hill.

For me the takeaway is: But there is much much more to this: I am starting to experience that all of our problems with sex (mine, at least) stem from seeing it as dirty and a problem. In fact, I now see this as one of the possible roots of sexual jealousy. Will elaborate on this in a separate post so that anyone not interested in my rantings can ignore it.

A little while back, I was in the middle of a discussion with a group of strangers, all women, of various ages, who were making the usual "eww, gross" comments about porn, and I proudly admitted that while I don't watch a lot of porn these days, I still have gigabytes of it on my computer. The younger ones labelled me as a pervert, but in a non-confrontational, playful way, but then a 60+ y.o. woman in the discussion said "He's not a pervert. If he liked it and tried to hide the fact, he'd be one. But if he likes it and freely admits it, he isn't a pervert." All the other women readily agreed, nodding heads in approval. It's all in your mind - how you see it, so you are.

Like Flow hinted at, this is true of many things. Maybe everything. As ever, there is no fucking spoon........

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"I will not grow in the light, until I pass through the darkest caverns of my heart..."

"Temet Nosce"

Transmutation thing is interesting -- I recommend experimenting with it like you would with any other meditation.. feel into the energy deeply, ignore the mind's labeling and description of it and continue to probe and be with the energy itself.

My personal experience with this practice is that transmutation is a bit of a misnomer. The energy is there in raw form.. it is not inherently "sex" energy, that association is just made from a very early age.. it is actually the same energy of life/creativity and the 'channeling' of it or 'transmutation' of it is more of a mental concept. The better you get at focusing more deeply on the task at hand, the energy will be directed into that thing. I think in general, with a million factors involved from diet to education to technology, many people no longer have any idea what it is to truly, deeply focus on something (and/or, do not have something in their life they feel is worthy of deep focus) and so are constantly distracted by "sex energy" because sex is one of the few things left that is still connected to that feeling of our nature in a very raw way -- and with our natural drive as men it's the strongest and most obvious distraction.

In other words, when you were out tracking an animal- and screwing it up meant you're not going to eat, your mind probably wasn't wandering on to the subject of pussy every 30 seconds.

Of course the semantics or theories about it are irrelevant -- as long as you are getting what you want out of it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXz8xMaJi4

There are some wonderful threads on this forum dealing with jealousy with Kidd!! & 'Grinus expounding on how we cannot own someone (and vice versa), but for me a bigger problem was articulated in an old thread by Gonzo: http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1551. This hit the nail on the head for me, in terms of MY problems with jealousy. Funnily enough, I have overcome this, but not by 'letting go'. My recent observations of little girls and especially 8-11 year olds 'swooning' over me, and recognising the 'sexual' component in this (I liken it to 'sexual polarity' rather than sexuality) has made me see sexuality as something innocent & playful. Of course there's an adult aspect to it (pregnancy & STD's), so it needs to be dealt with responsibly, and by consenting, responsible adults.

This has totally changed the way my entire body & mind reacts when I happen to imagine a woman I see or know doing unspeakable things with some guy, that no one will ever know about. Instead of "Women are so duplicitous - they're one thing in public, another behind closed doors." or "Wonder what she gets up to with that tool she's with?", I more often than not think "Man, I hope she loses all motor control later on." Good place to be in .

WARNING: In the above, I am not advocating ANYONE see children as sexual objects. For me the focus there is on the INNOCENCE and how adorable they are especially when feeling this polarity. . I hope I don't need to remind anyone that this is something to be felt, not acted on. (Tree, anyone? ) As a matter of fact, I see child molesters as forcibly 'ripping' that innocence from them, no matter how gently or coercively they do it.

There's even more to this, as it relates to the 'friendzone', but i'll stop here.

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"I will not grow in the light, until I pass through the darkest caverns of my heart..."

"Temet Nosce"

Agree 100%. For a long time i've thought that even sexual energy is not at the core of this. It's something more fundamental, and sex is only one (albeit intoxicatingly powerful) expression of this fundamental energy.

I figure what 'that' thing is will be constantly redefined as I grow, but so far I see it as enthusiasm - a fundamental enthusiasm of life itself (not just organisms, but the whole shebang). Even survival is a (desperate) expression of this. But i expect this to change the deeper I go down the rabbit hole . Well fucking said. We talk a lot about the 'bitch problem' on this forum, but this here, to me, is the root of the problem with MEN nowadays. And ironically, that 'one thing left' - that distraction - allows women to fuck men in the ass.

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"I will not grow in the light, until I pass through the darkest caverns of my heart..."

"Temet Nosce"

Good self observation.

If you see sexual attraction / action as a completely natural, enjoyable, playful, innocent human expression then things take on a very different quality. If you see it as this big prize to be won, a tool for manipulation etc then you are going to see the world in a very different way.

Obviously, it can and is USED for all of those things, but is that inherently what it IS, at its core?

There is an enormous amount of power and influence to be gained by intentionally instilling moral/social/ethical meanings about sex. I've had to dig quite deep under enormous layers of meaning that I realized were "installed" in me.

How much of our society is based around men trying to get laid and women trying to feel desirable?

By not feeling alive / connected by anything but sex-drive, it seems the only thing worth pursuing -- and then of course, the woman has all the power. Even your "i'm going to be indifferent now" is still based on hoping she will find that attractive.

Ahk posted that quote from the woman who wrote about how the masculine energy is fine in the cave, can not contact people for weeks etc. You have all these men trying to be indifferent in order to get laid, trying all these methods when being happy and content alone is actually your NATURE when you are in touch with your nature. Then of course things are in balance and it's not a big deal to have women in your life when you want- your choice. The irony is staggering.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXz8xMaJi4

Yep. More & more i'm experiencing that the world functions as a reflection of HOW I SEE IT. That goddamn spoon again...... Very familiar.....

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"I will not grow in the light, until I pass through the darkest caverns of my heart..."

"Temet Nosce"

Mirror!

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

What isn't these days?



Methinks the directors chose a reflective surface as the prop for this scene for a reason........

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"I will not grow in the light, until I pass through the darkest caverns of my heart..."

"Temet Nosce"

To make a meta point

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cup ... ng-problem

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cup ... s-flatline

Notice the contradiction from the same "scientific" site? Check your sources and more importantly check what you allow to take hold in your dome.

Like everything, external objects are just reflections of inner conflicts ... good reminder, and good topic that might tingle something in some people


Side note : Just strolled down a torrent site (with porn if you're 18+), more than half of it (based on the title) was about either rape, submission, hardcore, gangbang, ... where woman is TOTALLY submissive and taken, and opposite.

Made me giggle and cry at the irony of it

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"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler

Good taste, bdsm movies stimulates my creativity.

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“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.” Viktor E. Frankl

All depending on WHY/HOW you see it.
I doubt others see it for the same reasons ...

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"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler

Interesting, but by this concept, if the man likes women that dominate him sexually then that would mean he's in control in RL. I'm not so sure that's the case.

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"...There is only one thing you can do. Master that one thing!...What you must be doing is visualizing yourself at your most powerful. You don't need any external enemies. The only opponent you must fight, is none other than your own image."