Natural Freedom

Why run?

Surely, they must want something?

Everyone uses everyone else...it's HUMAN NATURE...all that matters is if you're getting what you want out of the deal.

Everyone uses everyone else...it's HUMAN NATURE...all that matters is if you're getting what you want out of the deal.

I don't like this man sometimes

Thanks for giving me something to consider.

Actually, my mind is now superconducting over this idea . Thanks for pointing me towards 'connecting the dots'.

If Flow jumps in now, i'm a fucking dead man .......

By the way, as i've been re-reading the forum, I have been really inspired by some of your previous posts, and the long one on marriage really hit the nail on the head. I bring this up because, in my perception, the feeding frenzy situations described strike a similar, grotesque chord with me.

Here's one your insights would be interesting on -- yeah it falls more into theoretical vs making tons of difference in your life, but whatever

I know some attractive women that have / are going a really, really long time without sex, despite that it's obviously 'on the table' almost constantly, because of how the guys are being, there's no 'ideal' option there so they just don't have it.

Do you think you, or "most guys", if there was no sex even in something like a week or two, and the ease/options/near constant implied interest were on the same level, just not with any real winners, that they wouldn't go for the sex just to have it - "settle" for a few nights just to have the sex?

I just have a vague sense that there is some relevance to this even if it is only to point out a belief i'm holding, wanna work with me, folks?

That is not objectification. That is prostitution.

The comparison you are raising has contrast greater than the Atlantic Ocean.

If a woman objectifies you, why would she do it? What could you possibly have? Is it the same as female objectification by men?

Now that the wedding is over, nobody could care less about the bride or groom or the wedding. The focus is now on who is ‘next’ to be cherry picked from their lives and thrown to the lions to be devoured. All society ever seems to do is marry and breed. We are apparently no good for anything else

I have been in the position you laid out here - not having sex for months even though it was explicitly offered to me probably at least once every couple weeks. This happened as recently as this past fall, but its actually been happening on and off since I was maybe 18.

Droughts of 3 to 6 months without sex have been quite common in my life, as I never really had casual sex until just last year (I'm 29 now). I was/still kind of am a serial dater - my typical relationship is 2-6 months. I actually consciously started forcing myself to try to have casual sex last year for a few months, and only managed to have one 1-night-stand, and two 1-3 week hookups before deciding that I shouldn't force myself to do something that felt unnatural. That was a little bit before I discovered this place, and then I took a conscious break from sex for a while as I was doing inner work this past fall.

Before I had read anything about PUA or certainly anything like whats taught here, I just felt like if a girl wasn't girlfriend quality, then I didn't want to waste time/energy/potential drama by hooking up with her. Still kind of feel that way, although I'm much more flexible/conscious of all my options now. Its almost like when she makes her offer, I get this picture in my head of what is going to play out over the next weeks/months if I take her up vs. turn her down, and a lot of the time the scenario if I take her up on it doesn't play out very well, so I chose to turn her down.

Part of this I'm sure is that most of these offers come from girls in my social circle, so there are social repercussions if things look bad in some way, or if she's dating one of my friends/acquaintances, but offering me sex on the side...

Human nature is human nature. The full picture of what you are both contains and observes your human nature. Ironically, it is only the human nature that judges or denies any part of human nature

Again, hypothetical and potential window into pure mental masturbation, but picturing this and exploring this is still digging up some inner beliefs, assumptions, and filters for sure. Things where what pops for me is "well, *obviously* blah blah" - those are the ones I start to question.

That is really the simple truth, whether everyone chooses to accept it or not.

But to be honest, the more guys that don't accept it, the more amazing I appear to be to most females.

Haha- Ok, one line.

Human nature is human nature. The full picture of what you are both contains and observes your human nature. Ironically, it is only the human nature that judges or denies any part of human nature

Once on a business trip, I met a woman who had a man back home and had the 'carousers', married or not, barking up her tree. She shot EVERYONE down.

I laughed inside, because I KNEW it would be me.

On the second night out, when there was a lull in advances at the bar we had gone to as a group (after I felt I had collected enough evidence), I simply leaned in her ear and said:

"Look...you have someone back home and so do I. But we aren't at home right now, and won't be again for just a couple more days. It's obvious that we are attracted to each other...and I'm willing to bet your man hasn't stretched you out properly in a while. I'd like to help you with that. Therefore, how about sharing a 'discreet indiscretion' with me while we still have the time to do so? You can already tell by the way I'm pitching this to you that you can trust me not to tell the whole world about it, unlike these other buffoons who are blatantly hitting on you in front of God and everybody. So take some time and think about it...we both have king size beds that could use some stress testing."

Her reaction was sublime...I had presented her with the perfect opportunity to indulge her most primal desires. I could literally see the gears turning in her head.

Right when I ended my spiel, the busters had returned and continued to badger her to fuck. Meanwhile, I was getting molested on the dance floor by some of the other ladies, most of whom were also spoken for. About 5 minutes before we were about to leave, I leaned in her ear and said:

"So am I waiting up for you tonight or not?"...she answered..."Yes."

The next two nights were AWESOME.

See what I did there? While the other guys were trying to get her to fuck them, I just basically offered to give her a fucking the likes that she probably hasn't had in a long time...and I followed thru too.

Moral of the story? Women do want it just as bad IF NOT MORE BADLY than men do...it's just that men rarely:

-Take the time to discern if she is even sexually attracted to them or not.

-give them the space to allow it to fester (amount of space depends on amount of time available)

-Present it in a way that makes it worth the woman's while...meaning that to her, the other guys wanted some pussy, so chances are her pleasure wouldn't have been a priority. Me?

I was offering an EXPERIENCE.

Now...reflect on THAT for a minute...perhaps whilst doing some push-ups.

EDIT: Also...just because all women want to fuck more than we do...doesn't necessarily mean that they want to fuck YOU.

By taking the time to do the inner and outer work (get in shape!), and being supremely confident in yourself no matter what your lot in life is, you can become a man that most women would LOVE to fuck...like me.

And BTW, Master Kidd !!, I LOVE THOSE EMOTICONS YOU PUT !!!!!!! It's not in the words, It's in the DELIVERY

Bottom line? Please believe me when I say that these ladies want to fuck MUCH more than we do.

public makeout sessions are done for nothing else but EGO

Though like you said before, that doesn't mean they want to fuck YOU!

I think that is actually a big part of why the discussion is charged. To accept any level of truth in them being so sexual, when YOU are not seeing any such evidence in your life (note the discreetness mentioned in your post -- noone else in the room would have any reason to believe she's not just as "non-sexual" as all other women), would be to admit that the issue is more YOU than them

Though like you said before, that doesn't mean they want to fuck YOU!

I think that is actually a big part of why the discussion is charged. To accept any level of truth in them being so sexual, when YOU are not seeing any such evidence in your life (note the discreetness mentioned in your post -- noone else in the room would have any reason to believe she's not just as "non-sexual" as all other women), would be to admit that the issue is more YOU than them