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Author:  freespirit422 [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:03 pm ]
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This kind of just hit me today. There's nothing special about women. Sure some are cute and others incredibly hot. But I just really realized how guys are conditioned to value women, to treat them like goddesses instead of people. I used to do NG in the past and I was basically forcing myself to see the beauty in girls and I believed I was the problem, I just wasn't enlightened enough to truly appreciate them. It was so bad that I would actually beat myself up because I wasn't being compassionate enough.

It's hard to put into words what I'm feeling right now, but I feel like there was so much pressure on me to love women and worship them. That if I wasn't smothering them with affection I would be an asshole, but it truly is a conditioned response. It's like men and women aren't equal at all. It's like society is encouraging men to throw their self respect out the window when they meet a girl they like. It's more of an awareness I feel right now, then an actual set of ideas in in my head so it's still a little fuzzy.

I still respect women, I'm definitely not an asshole and if they are kind to me I'm kind to them. This was more of a perspective shift for me based off media and societal pressures, rather than what I've actually experienced with women. I just feel a huge release of responsibilities when it comes to interacting with women.
Author:  Sniper [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:46 pm ]
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nice freespirit422 :)

I'll just quote what I wrote to Bonder:
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I think that the whole problem with natural grounding (the way Rion is promoting it) is that people are being told to worship those Asian women like goddess
And then it's like you force youself to try and see all women like they were Palmy. I went through that period for a while- putting so much pressure on myself to see Palmy in every woman.

But then my reality changed due to:

A. I was tired of putting so much pressure on myself and get very little result.
B. I went to Thailand and saw that most women are so not like Palmy :?
C. Women are just women.

I treat women the same way I treat men- give respect and you shall get respect 8-)
the fact that they have a vagina doesn't grant them a free pass
Author:  Star_Above [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:00 pm ]
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Yup, there's a lot going on here. We're told over and over and led to believe that we want sex more the women so we have to chase them, which is total bullshit, WOMEN LOVE TO FUCK!!

Another thing is that most guys want to believe women are perfect because if they aren't, it's like when you finally get that Christmas present you wanted so bad and then realized when you got it it wasn't as good as you thought it would be, you'd be hugely dissappointed so men paint a picture of perfect women in their mind to try and avoid that.

I just made a post about this but NO WOMEN IS PERFECT! It may crush a lot of guys fantasies, but I believe if you can realize that, realize that girls shit and when they leave the washroom it stinks, realize that when they leave the gym they smell, everyone of them has at least one physical thing wrong with them weather it's stretch marks or a few crooked teeth...even the most confident one has insecurities, fears things....even the nicest one get's bitchy, jelous, etc... guys would lose a lot of their neediness around them and accomplish the feeling of what natural grounding tries too deliver but never does.

They are not perfect, you will never find a perfect one...it kills the fantasy but that truth will shed a lot of anxiety.

Doesn't mean there aren't some great ones, but they're not above you....you're the man!
Author:  Sniper [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:08 pm ]
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ManniJa wrote:
Yup, there's a lot going on here. We're told over and over and led to believe that we want sex more the women so we have to chase them, which is total bullshit, WOMEN LOVE TO FUCK!!

Another thing is that most guys want to believe women are perfect because if they aren't, it's like when you finally get that Christmas present you wanted so bad and then realized when you got it it wasn't as good as you thought it would be, you'd be hugely dissappointed so men paint a picture of perfect women in their mind to try and avoid that.

I just made a post about this but NO WOMEN IS PERFECT! It may crush a lot of guys fantasies, but I believe if you can realize that, realize that girls shit and when they leave the washroom it stinks, realize that when they leave the gym they smell, everyone of them has at least one physical thing wrong with them weather it's stretch marks or a few crooked teeth...even the most confident one has insecurities, fears things....even the nicest one get's bitchy, jelous, etc... guys would lose a lot of their neediness around them and accomplish the feeling of what natural grounding tries too deliver but never does.

They are not perfect, you will never find a perfect one...it kills the fantasy but that truth will shed a lot of anxiety.

Doesn't mean there aren't some great ones, but they're not above you....you're the man!
good post.
I never met a 'perfect woman' and I also met a few who appeared so nice and sweet at first but later turned out to be fucked up in some way (some of them were hypocrite bitches who were just better at masking it).
Author:  Star_Above [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:24 pm ]
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Oh dude tell me about it! I remember 2 specific girls, both were really attractive and were extremelly nice...it kind of made me think "I didn't think such a thing existed, girls who looked like that but were also really cool". Well the first one turned out to be absolutly psychotic after about 2 months and the second one turned out to be really selfish; I was kind of in disbelief because they seemed so nice in the beginning.

Another thing it made me realize (With the last one specifically) is that girls who are kind of airheads, even though they laugh and smile a lot...are not capable of being truly nice...the only reason they laugh and smile is because they don't know what to say in social situations so they figure that's the best response to make them not look like an idiot, and people mistake that for niceness. The only girls who are capable of actually being "genuinly" nice are intelligent ones...trust me on this.
Author:  Sniper [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:59 pm ]
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ManniJa wrote:
Oh dude tell me about it! I remember 2 specific girls, both were really attractive and were extremelly nice...it kind of made me think "I didn't think such a thing existed, girls who looked like that but were also really cool". Well the first one turned out to be absolutly psychotic after about 2 months and the second one turned out to be really selfish; I was kind of in disbelief because they seemed so nice in the beginning.

Another thing it made me realize (With the last one specifically) is that girls who are kind of airheads, even though they laugh and smile a lot...are not capable of being truly nice...the only reason they laugh and smile is because they don't know what to say in social situations so they figure that's the best response to make them not look like an idiot, and people mistake that for niceness. The only girls who are capable of actually being "genuinly" nice are intelligent ones...trust me on this.
Haha, I got a story for you:

The women in Israel are known to be more up front. If a girl doesn't like you, you will know it and she usually won't smile for no reason on a date (most girls). So a friend of mine went to the USA and at first he said: wow American women are so nice and polite and smile- it's fun dating them.

after three months he calls me up and says:
Sniper, I hate American women :x
American women suck big time.

Why? I asked.....

he said: they appear to be polite and nice but it's not Real it's just a part of the culture (a mask). So when you date them you never know what they really think or feel about you and sometimes it can take a month until you know if the girl is into you or not.
He also said they are very shallow and spoiled.

So he said he would rather date Israeli women- not because they are so good But becasue at least with them- you can know up front what they think\feel and it saves you a lot of time (and money) :lol:

He actually ended up marrying a woman from china
Author:  freespirit422 [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:34 pm ]
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lol, thats a great story Sniper.
ManniJa wrote:
Oh dude tell me about it! I remember 2 specific girls, both were really attractive and were extremelly nice...it kind of made me think "I didn't think such a thing existed, girls who looked like that but were also really cool". Well the first one turned out to be absolutly psychotic after about 2 months and the second one turned out to be really selfish; I was kind of in disbelief because they seemed so nice in the beginning.

Another thing it made me realize (With the last one specifically) is that girls who are kind of airheads, even though they laugh and smile a lot...are not capable of being truly nice...the only reason they laugh and smile is because they don't know what to say in social situations so they figure that's the best response to make them not look like an idiot, and people mistake that for niceness. The only girls who are capable of actually being "genuinly" nice are intelligent ones...trust me on this.
Good to know. I used to think women were perfect angels. But when you think about it, why would they be perfect? There are plenty of guys out in the world that are assholes, women are no different. It's just this lie that is perpetuated. And I know what you mean about airheads. When I was in high school so many airheads complained that guys just wanted sex from them. Now that I think about it they had nothing else to offer but their pussy. They had no personality other than waving their tits around in the air and flirting with every single guy.

For a while I didn't want to believe that women could be manipulative bitches, even the "nice" ones. I'd rationalize and just say oh its just because those guys attract those insecure women. But its this kind of thinking that buries the truth and leaves a lot of guys in the dark when it comes to this shit. I have no doubt there are great women out there, but now I know that its important to always watch and carefully observe.
Author:  Sniper [ Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:47 pm ]
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isn't it amazing how sociaty brainwashes us: Women are good guys are jerks. Women don't want sex, guys just want to fuck- black and white.

then Rion has inserted a different program: western women are bad, third world women are good and angelic. As if third world women are perfect :| because they live in a different part of the globe.
Author:  Alchemist [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:19 am ]
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That's really awesome freespirit, you really hit the nail on the head for what I've been going through this past week, I'm feeling a distance from this type of material:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnoQ5qxS ... re=related

As much as I love these cartoons, now I can see some other message behind them, this over-sexualization or whatever was that strong even then, it's not really that much of an exaggeration these days though is it lol.
Author:  The Kidd!! [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:15 am ]
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Quote:
he said: they appear to be polite and nice but it's not Real it's just a part of the culture (a mask). So when you date them you never know what they really think or feel about you and sometimes it can take a month until you know if the girl is into you or not.
He also said they are very shallow and spoiled.
...and thus Pimposophies and Covert Tactics were born. 8-)
Author:  peregrinus [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:19 am ]
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ManniJa wrote:
Another thing it made me realize (With the last one specifically) is that girls who are kind of airheads, even though they laugh and smile a lot...are not capable of being truly nice...the only reason they laugh and smile is because they don't know what to say in social situations so they figure that's the best response to make them not look like an idiot, and people mistake that for niceness. The only girls who are capable of actually being "genuinly" nice are intelligent ones...trust me on this.
freespirit422 wrote:
I have no doubt there are great women out there, but now I know that its important to always watch and carefully observe.
ManniJa wrote:
NO WOMEN IS PERFECT! It may crush a lot of guys fantasies, but I believe if you can realize that, realize that girls shit and when they leave the washroom it stinks, realize that when they leave the gym they smell, everyone of them has at least one physical thing wrong with them weather it's stretch marks or a few crooked teeth...even the most confident one has insecurities, fears things....even the nicest one get's bitchy, jelous, etc...
Author:  freespirit422 [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:52 am ]
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Alchemist wrote:
That's really awesome freespirit, you really hit the nail on the head for what I've been going through this past week, I'm feeling a distance from this type of material:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnoQ5qxS ... re=related

As much as I love these cartoons, now I can see some other message behind them, this over-sexualization or whatever was that strong even then, it's not really that much of an exaggeration these days though is it lol.
Haha, goddamn that cartoon. I used to think the media couldn't brainwash you into thinking certain things, but man was I wrong. This shit is so subtle, and we've had it fed to us for years. The thing is it also plays on guys insecurities. Guys have been led to believe that women want chocolates, roses, sweet love poems, their unending love. If they don't offer these to a woman then they will forever be alone and they aren't a caring man. It's all bullshit, because women in real life really don't want ANY of that shit. And thats the illusion thats been perpetuated. I wouldn't be surprised if the media does this so they can sell more porn to lonely guys that utterly fuck up with women. One big goddamn conspiracy theory lol.

But I'm trying to move beyond the victim stage and take responsibility for my own shit and reclaim my balls. Also trying to move beyond the anger, but I know I've got a hell of a lot of work to do. It's finding a balance between appreciating women vs worshiping them. I've found that quite hard to do. But I guess that's all a part of the learning process.
Author:  Star_Above [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:46 am ]
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freespirit422 wrote:
Guys have been led to believe that women want chocolates, roses, sweet love poems, their unending love. If they don't offer these to a woman then they will forever be alone and they aren't a caring man. It's all bullshit, because women in real life really don't want ANY of that shit. And thats the illusion thats been perpetuated. I wouldn't be surprised if the media does this so they can sell more porn to lonely guys that utterly fuck up with women. One big goddamn conspiracy theory lol.
Great observation, this is one of the biggest problems. Look at a fucking diamond commercial "If you don't buy her this $5,000.00 diamond ring you won't get the pussy." Or "If you don't use this axe bodywash you won't get the pussy." "If you don't buy her this brand of belguin chocolate, you won't get the pussy." "If you don't buy her this mink coat, you won't get the pussy."

It's being forcefed to us by marketing teams of big businesses as well as the entertainment industry...Steve Williams calls this "Shit-on-a-stick", any product you think you have to buy to help you get the pussy, the ironic thing is that because most guys are sissys, they do buy them all that shit so if you don't it'll actually help you because it will seperate you from them.
Author:  Alchemist [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:29 am ]
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To go even deeper manniJa, we're lead to believe that pussy is some kind of grandiose thing, like we're supposed to accept by default that it's the ultimate reward and element to strive for in life, and it's NOT.

To know that my first rejections didn't have to affect me psychologically, my life would have been SO different, I can't take my wasted youth back but I'll sure as hell make sure to enjoy the rest of it.
Author:  Star_Above [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:52 pm ]
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Alchemist wrote:
To go even deeper manniJa, we're lead to believe that pussy is some kind of grandiose thing, like we're supposed to accept by default that it's the ultimate reward and element to strive for in life, and it's NOT.

To know that my first rejections didn't have to affect me psychologically, my life would have been SO different, I can't take my wasted youth back but I'll sure as hell make sure to enjoy the rest of it.
Yup, we're led to believe pussy is the the holy grail, the be all end all. I respect David X for the kind of attitude he teaches in relationship management, but it's also teachers like him that are part of the problem; saying such things as "If you're not sleeping or working, you should be out chasing pussy of you're not a man"...and that's a direct quote.

Fuck that shit, sometimes you just wanna sit back and play counterstrike with a rootbeer. He claims he's fucked 500 women, good for him...I've only fucked about 40, does that make me any less of a man then him? Absolutely not, and personally I'd rather not get herpes so I think I'll be a little more pickier then sticking my cock in any hole that I can find.
Author:  The Kidd!! [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:14 pm ]
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ManniJa wrote:
Alchemist wrote:
To go even deeper manniJa, we're lead to believe that pussy is some kind of grandiose thing, like we're supposed to accept by default that it's the ultimate reward and element to strive for in life, and it's NOT.

To know that my first rejections didn't have to affect me psychologically, my life would have been SO different, I can't take my wasted youth back but I'll sure as hell make sure to enjoy the rest of it.
Yup, we're led to believe pussy is the the holy grail, the be all end all. I respect David X for the kind of attitude he teaches in relationship management, but it's also teachers like him that are part of the problem; saying such things as "If you're not sleeping or working, you should be out chasing pussy of you're not a man"...and that's a direct quote.

Fuck that shit, sometimes you just wanna sit back and play counterstrike with a rootbeer. He claims he's fucked 500 women, good for him...I've only fucked about 40, does that make me any less of a man then him? Absolutely not, and personally I'd rather not get herpes so I think I'll be a little more pickier then sticking my cock in any hole that I can find.
I LOVE this guy! :mrgreen:
Author:  peregrinus [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:57 pm ]
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ManniJa wrote:
Fuck that shit, sometimes you just wanna sit back and play counterstrike with a rootbeer. He claims he's fucked 500 women, good for him...I've only fucked about 40, does that make me any less of a man then him? Absolutely not, and personally I'd rather not get herpes so I think I'll be a little more pickier then sticking my cock in any hole that I can find.
BRAVO!
Author:  Star_Above [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:36 pm ]
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Thanks boys! :)
Author:  Sniper [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:15 am ]
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ManniJa wrote:
I just made a post about this but NO WOMEN IS PERFECT! It may crush a lot of guys fantasies, but I believe if you can realize that, realize that girls shit and when they leave the washroom it stinks, realize that when they leave the gym they smell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SemXyltcHaw
Author:  Star_Above [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:16 pm ]
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Sniper wrote:
ManniJa wrote:
I just made a post about this but NO WOMEN IS PERFECT! It may crush a lot of guys fantasies, but I believe if you can realize that, realize that girls shit and when they leave the washroom it stinks, realize that when they leave the gym they smell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SemXyltcHaw
Uggh fuck, that's gonna haunt me...thanks Sniper :evil:
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