Not sure if I'm one of the "wiser ones", but:
I'd like to hear from the wiser one's on if that statement is correct.
Is my hate for other from realizing the ugly truth, or realizing how much I hate myself?
Your hate comes from the fact that you realize other people are in it for themselves and won't fill the hole you have within for you. On some level, you realize they won't provide what you always thought they would, and it's pissing you off.
Interesting moose. My upbringing was one based on generosity; helping others out. My mom, was one who would exert so much on others, via her nice actions, that would be deflated after some didn't "appreciate" her niceness. Apple doesn't fall to far from the tree.
I thought I believed it to be because how much of an asshole everyone is. Thinking about themselves and if they can come up. But, your point resonates.
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Flow your post just hit on so many levels.
Is my hate for other from realizing the ugly truth, or realizing how much I hate myself?
It is a projection, "Mirror" as 'Grinus would say.
There is a thread about this but I don't remember what it is called.
It's not either/or, it is the same thing.
The same truths apply to you as a human being and your calling them "ugly" is a centerpiece.
Are you saying that my hate for the "ugly truth" and my hate for myself is the same thing? Same hate?
"They" use other people, have a transactional element to their relationships. So do you. This "truth" is only "ugly" by judgement against some fake idea you have - an idea that part of you still hold on to and you think applies to yourself. They are not like my ideal but I am.
Very true. My ego wanted to think otherwise; as if I was better, but in reality my relationships are transactional as well. Do all relationships have this transactional undertone?
Of course there are people who are phonies and assholes and women who are a total drag etc. However the more goggles you have on, the more you walk in with an idea of "everyone is blah blah, how cruel, i'm alone, blah blah" the less you'll be able to just the person you are interacting with RIGHT NOW and to treat them accordingly
I thought I was seeing reality for what it was, but doesn't seem like that was the case. I guess I'm already going in with a preconceived notion, everyone's a bitch/ass! Instead of an open'ness and see what others bring forward. Asshole treat accordingly, sincere...open up a bit.
The ego LOVES to make a dramatic hero's journey out of the whole "red pill" thing. Suddenly you are this big super hero against the world, you are accepting this secret hidden truth that noone else sees and there is simultaneously hatred but a giant propping up because now you are one the 'special, different ones' - the centerpiece behind the whole drive in the first place. It loves and hates it.
The big fight against the matrix and the red pill and the big movie starring you that eventually is going to beat all the bad guys and get all the money and pussy? Let it go. The faster you do the more simple it becomes.
THIS SO MUCH! I did love it when I created this. I loved feeling like it was me against the world. Like I was REALLY different and UNIQUE. I definitely propped myself up and carried myself differently. I believed I was going to come out of this stronger and be completely different. I would still love it if you hadn't brought this to my attention!
i'm talking about getting attached to the idea as a means of getting stuck.. thinking you have 'arrived' or are making progress when you really aren't, you've just latched on to this idea - that is to watch out for.
It is a slippery slope and I can easily slip if I'm not focused.
How to check in? Simple, look at your life -- more importantly, your internal state. Are you walking around thinking about your 'red pillness' and how cruel the world is, or are you too busy smiling and chilling out and being at peace. Notice how part of you actually loves that whole story much more than the one where you are just happy, because that's too simple.
I feel the first one more right now. Your right with I can't be at peace right now, because that's just to easy! Completely absurd, but the truth.
The truth of people, life, reality has been in front of your face the entire time. It never was anything else, except in your mind. You are simply removing layers to see it. The more judgement you have it about it, the more "story" you have about it, is still all super imposed on top of it.
So true. It's never been anything else. What you write about is similar to "suchness" in Zen.
the more your sense of peace/happiness comes from within you, the more behavior or conditions out there take on that same level of no-effect...If you are too absorbed in the illusory fight, it can be a barrier to experiencing this.
I'm for sure caught up in the illusory fight!
Flow you knocked my ego on the head and started dragging it out into the light with this post!!!