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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:55 am 
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A short while after joining these forums..I started making some changes that i thought would make me more indifferent.However, now i realize that deep down i was doing it to be more attractive to women.
This included lifting heavy weights(So woman would check me out and jock me more)
Dressing really nice(Also to get attention)
Shaving my body hair


All of these behaviors i thought would give me a stronger front,but i now realize that it was just a way of seeking approval.The front is all in my head, my mindset needs to be adjusted.

So for now i am going to do an experiment which includes:
Doing something i actually enjoy for physical activity like playing basketball instead of weight lifting for woman.I never cared about getting bigger.Also im gonna start wearing average clothes and not wearing too much about my appearance.I like those graphic shirts they sell at target(With the Old School ninja turtle or atari logos) so i am gonna start wearing them for myself.This is not to say that im going to look like a effin slob but just looking normal.We are supposed to do things for ourselves right?So that's what i am gonna do.I am done trying to impress these bitches.

I need to start doing shit for myself.I have been doing things for the wrong reasons.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:47 am 
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caliboy85 wrote:
A short while after joining these forums..I started making some changes that i thought would make me more indifferent.However, now i realize that deep down i was doing it to be more attractive to women.
This included lifting heavy weights(So woman would check me out and jock me more)
Dressing really nice(Also to get attention)
Shaving my body hair


All of these behaviors i thought would give me a stronger front,but i now realize that it was just a way of seeking approval.The front is all in my head, my mindset needs to be adjusted.

So for now i am going to do an experiment which includes:
Doing something i actually enjoy for physical activity like playing basketball instead of weight lifting for woman.I never cared about getting bigger.Also im gonna start wearing average clothes and not wearing too much about my appearance.I like those graphic shirts they sell at target(With the Old School ninja turtle or atari logos) so i am gonna start wearing them for myself.This is not to say that im going to look like a effin slob but just looking normal.We are supposed to do things for ourselves right?So that's what i am gonna do.I am done trying to impress these bitches.

I need to start doing shit for myself.I have been doing things for the wrong reasons.
Looks like the lightbulb finally came on...now's when it starts getting GOOD. 8-)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:17 am 
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Nicely done sir!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:36 am 
Yo, if you're not working with a budget then don't get some shitty clothes from target.

Yes your front should not be built around getting women. Your front should be built around showing your personality.

If you aren't on a budget then find a boutique store or some other clothing store that won't give you clothes that disintegrate in the washer after a few uses.

Personally, I don't shop high fashion. I could, but I spend my money wisely.

Yes, I have g-shock watch with black diamonds. Yes, I have shirts that would make you shit your pants if you knew how much they cost.

Yes, I have list of custom diamond crosses, custom piss yellow and blue diamond bracelets, custom black diamond dog tags, custom interracial diamond ring, chrysoberyl cat's eye ring set in platinum, and custom multicolored diamond grill that I'm purchasing in the next year or two.

However, the diamonds don't mean a thing except for their color. Black is for my lineage. Yellow represents the historical sign of wealth that blacks first got, gold. The cat's eye is because I think it looks cool. The crosses are to represent my tortured relationship with god ever since I came to the understanding I have now. The platinum represents me being part of a new generation of blacks that have adopted new customs. Gold just isn't me unless it's white gold or rose gold. That's why I don't have a Rolex.

Your front doesn't mean average. Your front means understanding yourself and representing yourself.

I've been to a different country. I've seen so many different states in the US I can't remember them all. I do spend stacks on jewelry and clothes, but I only buy my clothes in local boutiques close to where I live so the dollars bounce. If the boutique is expensive then the clothes are expensive. If the boutique is inexpensive then the clothes are inexpensive. The key point is that I'm repping my city, Detroit. I'm putting Detroit on my back economically. It's where I was born.

Hell, If I knew you were going to buy from Target instead of looking around and finding out what is really you then I would have just given you my old wardrobe that I threw out when I got back from the Czech Republic.

Hell, I'll ship you a few graphic T-shirts if that's all you want.

Seriously, spend a long time thinking about your front what you want it to mean. Everything on your body should have a story in case you're asked about it. I don't know how many times I've been asked about my watch, my clothes, my red and yellow dreads, or my favorite cap.

And you know what? My front makes me look really nice and it makes women notice me but not by a whole extra ass load. That will happen when I complete my front and get my clout straight.

Money should not be an object when you're investing in your front either because you're essentially investing in yourself. You wouldn't believe how a woman will throw money, clothes, cars, jewelry, or vacations at you to increase your front and/or clout for her own vanity. This doesn't have to be your aim. It's not my aim. I just specialize in finding women that will do that for me, so I don't have to worry about it myself and can spend my time focusing on what fulfills me in life.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:57 am 
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I can go to Macy's and buy some really nice clothes that are discounted.But the point is that i want to show myself that i can be happy dressed like an average person and not look for external validation.I want to know that at the end of the day it is my vibe that matters the most.What if the economy collapses(Which it looks like its heading that way since Capitalism is Unsustainable in the long run) some day and there will be no more resources left in this world.No more Mansions,no more nice cars,no more expensive things.What will i be left with?.I am very far from reaching the level of self actualization but i know that this is all we have at the end.For me this forum means to depend only on yourself for your happiness.Like i said i am very far from knowing myself as well as those here on these forums but that is what i am shooting for.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:34 am 
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Rkd, with "front" like that you must be after BIG GAME,
Cali bizzle, do what makes YOU FEEL goood :D , it's only because I don't have a source out here why I don't wear anime themed clothing constantly. The only person's happiness and well being you are sure about is yours.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:15 am 
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@RKD

On second thought you are right man.No need to buy cheap clothes if i can afford something nice that isn't outside of my budget.I guess the point is to look nice but not to go overboard just to impress women.In the past i grew my beard,tried colored contacts, lifted heavy, and even threaded my eyebrows just to look sexy (Which obviously is approval seeking).


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:14 pm 
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caliboy85 wrote:
@RKD

On second thought you are right man.No need to buy cheap clothes if i can afford something nice that isn't outside of my budget.I guess the point is to look nice but not to go overboard just to impress women.In the past i grew my beard,tried colored contacts, lifted heavy, and even threaded my eyebrows just to look sexy (Which obviously is approval seeking).
Maybe you looked like this:
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:51 am 
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rkd1990 wrote:
You wouldn't believe how a woman will throw money, clothes, cars, jewelry, or vacations at you to increase your front and/or clout for her own vanity.
Damn straight!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:44 am 
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Star_Above wrote:
rkd1990 wrote:
You wouldn't believe how a woman will throw money, clothes, cars, jewelry, or vacations at you to increase your front and/or clout for her own vanity.
Damn straight!
But what if your someone like bill gates who makes 6 figures but wears average clothes,drives a toyota corolla and doesn't care about jewlery or bling.We see alot of succesful people like this who just don't care about those things.What is she left to throw at you then?The reason i ask is because i am someone who values intelligence and not so much external stuff..Would such a person have problems in pimp-tightedness?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:07 am 
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caliboy85 wrote:
But what if your someone like bill gates who makes 6 figures but wears average clothes,drives a toyota corolla and doesn't care about jewlery or bling.
Umm, women still know that he's Bill gates.
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The reason i ask is because i am someone who values intelligence and not so much external stuff..Would such a person have problems in pimp-tightedness?
You're not a woman.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:06 pm 
caliboy85 wrote:
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On second thought you are right man.No need to buy cheap clothes if i can afford something nice that isn't outside of my budget.I guess the point is to look nice but not to go overboard just to impress women.In the past i grew my beard,tried colored contacts, lifted heavy, and even threaded my eyebrows just to look sexy (Which obviously is approval seeking).
Don't know what made you see the light, but I'm glad you have.

Also, you don't know shit about "expensive" or "good" clothes if you think Macy's is the answer. That means you either don't have as big a budget as you think you do because you were talking about buying from the discount section in Macy's or you just don't know about high fashion.

Reread my shit again. I said boutiques damnnit not department stores. How do you expect to find something unique to you if you go to place where tons of people shop.

For the record, there are boutique clothing stores of all kinds. You can even order online now. Some boutique stores are less expensive than wannabe high end department stores.

I told you to shop for colors and themes that signify something. The diamonds were just a damn analogy and don't mean shit to me except the colors and themes they symbolize.

Shop for colors that match your skin, your eyes, and/or your hair.
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Rkd, with "front" like that you must be after BIG GAME,
Cali bizzle, do what makes YOU FEEL goood :D , it's only because I don't have a source out here why I don't wear anime themed clothing constantly. The only person's happiness and well being you are sure about is yours.
Naw, I'm the diamonds. The diamonds I already have don't mean shit to women I'm around on a daily basis because they already have loads of money. When they ask about it I just tell them that I have reason for wearing the shit. I rep. my blackness so I wear black diamonds etc. I stick to themes that have real meaning to my existence as a person.

Also, unless anime is your whole life then don't wear anime themed clothing. Unless, 10 years from now you'll still be watching and going to anime comicons then don't fuck with that and stick with the basics like I said.

It's much easier for you to talk about anime all day long then explain why you're wearing some Dragonball Z T-shirt where the main character, Goku, was a latent homosexual captain-save-ho kind of person. Hell, if you can explain why Goku was busy with 20 hours fights against weird looking shirtless and pantless people then by all means wear something like that.

The same goes for a lot of anime, shit. Even Lil' Wayne with his dumbass said, "I save the world second, and I get high first."

Think about what that means. If you're having trouble then read the link below.

http://rapgenius.com/Lil-wayne-wasted-lyrics#note-19282

I'll spoil it. Anime should probably not be one of your priorities at this point in your life. If it is then it should be a bottom priority. Consequently, basing your front around a low priority issue may come across as try-hard-to-be-different to a lot of women.

Basing your front off of your skin, eyes, hair, and colors that represent themes in your life of struggle or success are going to seem more genuine or authentic to women. You aren't an adult oriented cartoon.

So, it is much better to show your knowledge of anime during a conversation with a woman when she asks what do you like, what are your interests, what's your favorite show etc. I also fully encourage you to go on a monologue about anime when you're asked about it just like I've given you this monologue about how you've misplaced your front.

Showing your knowledge about anime will have more impact then a T-shirt on general principle because that shows a positive feature of your personality that means you aren't all about women even though most anime shows have women as their theme or focus.

Last, you can definitely find anime boutiques. If you know your size then just order online from "Otaku Wanted" or something. The clothes aren't going to be tailored because people don't usually go to an anime boutique for clothes that fit perfectly. They want to find their favorite show.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:29 pm 
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@RKD

I totally understand your point that the goal is to express yourself and will take your advice.I grew up around the hip hop culture and when i was younger (Now 27) i use to get taper hair cuts, sharp line ups,wear earrings but after joining these forums and studying it i realized that this is all part of the matrix.In other words, i was just being a conformist.The more ii read the info on here the more i am learning about myself.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:59 am 
cool post some pictures of the threads you pick up with your hair color/eye color/skin tone. Maybe some other people will get the drift.

HINT: IF YOU WANT TO SEE A NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT IN YOUR RECEPTION BY WOMEN TRY WEARING ALL WHITE. NOT JOKING. IT MAKES YOU SEEM LESS THREATENING.

I shouldn't have told you that shit, but you'll see what I mean.

BUY A WHITE WRINKLED BUTTON DOWN, A WHITE T-SHIRT THAT FITS THE SIZE OF THE BUTTON DOWN, A PAIR OF ALL WHITE GYM/WALKING SHOES, SOME LIGHT-SILVER COLORED PANTS, AND A SILVER CROSS TO HANG AROUND YOUR NECK. I SUGGEST A SILVER COLORED WATCH AND A SILVER COLORED BRACELET TOO FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT. A CAP WOULD BE GOOD TOO.

If your eyes are blue then this will have a better effect. If not then oh well white still goes with every color eye type. The contrast may help you with some women.

This is the uniform that I suggest you start in. See how many women talk to you and see how many women respond positively to you when you talk to them first. Here is the ensemble that I've created for you. You can order online and have it shipped directly to you.

NOTE: THE IMAGE LINKS DON'T APPEAR FOR THE FIRST TWO BECAUSE THEY ARE PROBABLY COPYRIGHTED.

LINK 1: http://www.lagarconne.com/store/item.ht ... =1268&pid=#
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LINK 2: http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Supima%C2 ... lt,pd.html
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LINK 3: http://www.zumiez.com/chukka-low-wht-wh ... 4Aodf3QALg
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LINK 4: http://www.shaneco.com/Jewelry-Catalog/ ... 4AodC3MAKA
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LINK 5: http://www.amazon.com/Diesel-Mens-Chi-T ... 906&sr=1-9
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LINK 6: http://www.amazon.com/Titanium-Steel-Ba ... acelet+men
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LINK 7: http://www.amazon.com/Invicta-Collectio ... +watch+men
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LINK 8: http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.jsp?p ... agpspn=pla
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The total cost of this whole ensemble should be no more than $800-$900 dollars with tax and shipping charges. Your white shirts should have no designs on them. If you're able to then buy an egyptian cotton/supima thread shirt then you're doing better because it will last longer.

NOTE: THE EXAMPLE I'VE PROVIDED YOU IS WHAT I THINK WOULD LOOK BEST. IF YOU CHOOSE MY EXACT EXAMPLE AND ORDER FROM THOSE SITES THEN WEAR YOUR BUTTON DOWN OPEN SO THEY CAN SEE YOUR SHIRT. FIND A BELT THAT IS EITHER WHITE OR GREY.

do this experiment and report your findings. You can thank me later. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:40 am 
I didn't mention this earlier, but the white on grey look is phenomenal.

In bright light or direct sunlight your front should give you the appearance of a movie star.

I remember some of the outfits that I've come up with that match so well on accident that haters have come up to saying things like, "who do you think you are" or "what's up hollywood" or "stop trying to impress people so hard."

My front is built off of what I know of that works, and I what I personally like.

If you choose the white outfit then you should do it the exact way that I envisioned it to get the maximum effect. All you have to do is order everything that I gave the links for. I spent a fair amount of time composing that outfit.

The next experiment you should try is wearing all black or predominantly black contrasted with purple or red.

Since you are in California do not do an all blue or all red outfit. I HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT YOU STAY AWAY FROM BLUE AND RED AND BLACK UNLESS YOU ARE IN A SAFE PART OF CALIFORNIA.

After trying black, you should try bright yellow on light yellow/mid shade tan.

After that reflect on what the different colors mean, what they do, the reactions you get, and what you think they signify.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:06 am 
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caliboy85 wrote:
after joining these forums and studying it i realized that this is all part of the matrix.In other words, i was just being a conformist.
This.

Are you building your front out of things you enjoy or are you building your front to impress people?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:30 pm 
Not entirely. Your front should have a practical side too. Basing your front off of only what you like is like having your head in the clouds. There are certain standards for what is acceptable at work, school, interviews, social gatherings etc. Some elements of the matrix must be accepted instead of fought because the battles aren't worth it. This applies to women too. If you don't dress better than her then you should not expect her to respect you. First impressions are important. That's why I disagree with the anime graphic T-shirt shirt. No matter how much the shirt is worth the woman will dismiss it because of her preconceived notions about clothing unless she's into anime. Then you go down a rabbit hole explaining why the shirt is important to your personality. This is much better saved for a 3Rd or 4the meeting. Her ideas will be more fully formed, and she will appreciate the uniqueness because the shirt will be seen as constitutive of your personality rather than a comprehensive part of your personality. Balance is key. Attention to Color, texture, fabric, design, fit, drape, composition, and style are indicative of a sexually trained man. Hence, the phenomenal front is more than just what you like. It is also the way you want to be seen, the social rules you choose to fight or not fight, your personal standards, your idea of taste and fashion, and your idea of what represents the most balanced picture of you along with the status and power that you perceive yourself to have.

Edit: the best front is a balanced representation that reflects the most dominant parts of your internal world. That is what is meant by doing what you like.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:27 am 
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"a front is what you portray yourself to be (or the potential you hold)."
- The kidd

I wish I could find a way to put all of my thoughts here into fewer words, both the kidd and grinus manage to say far more with far less, but here's my take. I wouldn't limit your definition of front to just clothing. The whole point of his original post was that the OP mentioned he'd realized he was doing stuff to try to appeal to girls. Then went on to say
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"I guess the point is to look nice but not to go overboard just to impress women".
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"HINT: IF YOU WANT TO SEE A NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT IN YOUR RECEPTION BY WOMEN TRY WEARING ALL WHITE. NOT JOKING. IT MAKES YOU SEEM LESS THREATENING. "
I'm seeing a slight contradiction here.

Personally, my style of dress is a mix of preppy and casual. I'm well dressed but usually not flashy. When it is flashy, it isn't flash in a way that gives off a player vibe. I don't dress nicely for the express purpose of attracting women. I do it because it's comfortable and I've found that people in general tend to treat you a little bit better when you look like a rich kid with a trust fund.

I spend far more money on my two cars, which I enjoy immensely, than I do on my clothes. Neither of them would make much of a splash in LA, the bay area, vegas, miami, etc. but they're nice enough where I'm at. More important, for purposes of front at least, is that one of them shows that, as a 24 year old, I can afford an impractical toy that costs 20-odd thousand dollars. That's not why I bought it though. I bought it because I love driving it, and because I'd always wanted to buy a 2 seat convertible.

If spending a bunch of money on higher-end designer clothes is your thing, I'm not trying to hate on that. My point in the above example is that doing/spending on what you enjoy can still work as front. On the other hand, the original point of this thread was that the OP realized he needed to start doing things for himself rather than to impress women.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:58 am 
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Not entirely. Your front should have a practical side too. Basing your front off of only what you like is like having your head in the clouds. There are certain standards for what is acceptable at work, school, interviews, social gatherings etc. Some elements of the matrix must be accepted instead of fought because the battles aren't worth it. This applies to women too. If you don't dress better than her then you should not expect her to respect you. First impressions are important. That's why I disagree with the anime graphic T-shirt shirt. No matter how much the shirt is worth the woman will dismiss it because of her preconceived notions about clothing unless she's into anime. Then you go down a rabbit hole explaining why the shirt is important to your personality. This is much better saved for a 3Rd or 4the meeting. Her ideas will be more fully formed, and she will appreciate the uniqueness because the shirt will be seen as constitutive of your personality rather than a comprehensive part of your personality. Balance is key. Attention to Color, texture, fabric, design, fit, drape, composition, and style are indicative of a sexually trained man. Hence, the phenomenal front is more than just what you like. It is also the way you want to be seen, the social rules you choose to fight or not fight, your personal standards, your idea of taste and fashion, and your idea of what represents the most balanced picture of you along with the status and power that you perceive yourself to have.

Edit: the best front is a balanced representation that reflects the most dominant parts of your internal world. That is what is meant by doing what you like.
I'd have to agree with Rdk. Time and place for everything, experience will prove to be the best teacher 8-)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:56 pm 
Deez_Nutz wrote:
"a front is what you portray yourself to be (or the potential you hold)."
- The kidd

I wish I could find a way to put all of my thoughts here into fewer words, both the kidd and grinus manage to say far more with far less, but here's my take. I wouldn't limit your definition of front to just clothing. The whole point of his original post was that the OP mentioned he'd realized he was doing stuff to try to appeal to girls. Then went on to say
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"I guess the point is to look nice but not to go overboard just to impress women".
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"HINT: IF YOU WANT TO SEE A NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT IN YOUR RECEPTION BY WOMEN TRY WEARING ALL WHITE. NOT JOKING. IT MAKES YOU SEEM LESS THREATENING. "
I'm seeing a slight contradiction here.

Personally, my style of dress is a mix of preppy and casual. I'm well dressed but usually not flashy. When it is flashy, it isn't flash in a way that gives off a player vibe. I don't dress nicely for the express purpose of attracting women. I do it because it's comfortable and I've found that people in general tend to treat you a little bit better when you look like a rich kid with a trust fund.

I spend far more money on my two cars, which I enjoy immensely, than I do on my clothes. Neither of them would make much of a splash in LA, the bay area, vegas, miami, etc. but they're nice enough where I'm at. More important, for purposes of front at least, is that one of them shows that, as a 24 year old, I can afford an impractical toy that costs 20-odd thousand dollars. That's not why I bought it though. I bought it because I love driving it, and because I'd always wanted to buy a 2 seat convertible.

If spending a bunch of money on higher-end designer clothes is your thing, I'm not trying to hate on that. My point in the above example is that doing/spending on what you enjoy can still work as front. On the other hand, the original point of this thread was that the OP realized he needed to start doing things for himself rather than to impress women.
Yo man, reread what you just posted. You're projecting your stuff on to me. A 20k car isn't shit. I'd rather catch the bus than drive a 20k car. Otherwise, I rather drive a rust bucket car and be wearing fly ass clothes if I had to drive.

YOU SHOULD NEVER SPEND MORE ON YOUR CAR THAN YOUR CLOTHES. THAT'S TRYING HARD!

You completely missed everything I said.

Also, that quote from me is taken out of the context of everything else I said. Wearing white to APPEAR LESS THREATENING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRYING TO IMPRESS.

Seriously? That's a non sequitur. Wearing white to appear less threatening has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH ATTEMPTING TO FLY UNDER THE RADAR WHILE STILL APPEALING TO WHAT LIKES YOU. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.

Think about what wearing white symbolizes. Why do people put up white flags in wars?

It's like you're telling them you're giving up on impressing them.


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