Natural Freedom

Forum for the natural awakening and self-realization of men
It is currently Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:34 am

All times are UTC+01:00




Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 36 posts ]  Go to page 1 2 »
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:14 am
Posts: 1884
Just had an interesting experience recently, this is the first time this has happened to me and this is where my budding mindset (thanks to Kidd!!!) was put to the test:

The day before me and my gf had an argument, she got up and packed her things heading towards the door, I had a really bad feeling but I knew the implication of acting on it so I did nothing and sat down playing my videogames, she asked me why I was not doing anything to stop her leaving, I told her if she wants to leave then it's her choice so there's the door.

She stood there and told me she did not actually want to leave, once she decided she wanted to stay, she wanted me to do something (I'm guessing lean in to kiss her) but she was verbalizing it in a way that would make it seem like it was my idea or desire for her to stay, in my head I was like 'fuck that, I'm not doing anything' I was gonna call her out on it but that would be wasted words as she would deny it, so I stood there and let her come to me.

All is good until the next day when we have a talk and she starts making demands:

-She wants me to come over more often and initiate our meetings (as in me asking her if I can come over to hers). To be fair she does come over at least 80% more than I do, I could be less staunch about that but I still have to keep the percentage high on her part (at least 60%). She asked me why she has to be the one to initiate and I told her 'that's how it's always been between us'. She claims if she didn't make an effort to come over all the time then we would never see each other, which is not entirely true, I would just rather be at home where I can do some work, I have less frequent lazy weekends cuz I can't stand doing nothin. Also her making an effort proves to me that she's for real and sticking to her word about what she told me in the beginning, so I'd be more inclined to keep things as they are, if I started coming over a bit more due to her making that demand it would be a lack of integrity on my part.

-She wants me to initiate conversation: in my observation the few times that I have (in the name of science) she did not see that interested or at least less so than when she initiates, so I stopped altogether. Again back to the previous point, at the beginning she had to prove herself to me and far as I'm concerned that has not changed.

-She wants me to say "I love you", which I do sometimes, but only in response to her saying it. I would not feel comfortable doing that and we all know what happens when we switch roles, so fuck that lol.

These are things she says I'm 'supposed to do anyways', which made me think for a second. I don't do typical boyfriend shit like buying flowers and candy, it's been over a year now and I have not done that once, if I offer a gift (only her birthday, Christmas and anniversary) it has to be useful and lasting, unlike flowers.

Anywho, I reminded her of the initial terms and agreement to our relationship and told her that I will not cater to her demands as they're unreasonable and it's fundamentally wrong to ask me to change my personality to please someone else, then she asked me if I would stay like this even if it would jeopardize everything? and I told her yes. I thought she would leave but she started getting more affectionate. I really like this girl but if she wants to bounce I would accept it and let her go and not look back, I've wasted too much time in my past pining over women that changed their mind.

The following quote kind of explains the vibe that was going on between us after all that happened, cuz she's seen me evolve but had to test where I stand (now I know why this is essential):

http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... 562#p19562
peregrinus wrote:
They had to see I would walk away and not put up with it. Until I showed them that, they did not fully believe I would. Until they saw that, it was merely a thought, a question, rather than hard facts and reality.'

_________________
"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
THAT'S WAT DAFAQ I'M TALKING ABOUT! :twisted:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:04 am
Posts: 465
Location: Amurrka
Pure excellence.

Your inner symp was screaming and trying jump out, but you shut him up and made him sit down. Very well done.

She now knows you don't need her, and that makes her want you.

You may worry about being "staunch" or "fair", but you should be far more concerned with what you really want to do. She is in no position to make demands. She should be grateful that she even gets the option to come over to your place.

I'm pleased with what you've written.

_________________
“I learned this, at least, by my experiment; that if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. . . ."

-Thoreau's Walden


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:14 am
Posts: 1884
I have a feeling she doesn't completely believe what I said and will test me further on it.

PT you're right, she's tried to guilt trip me into these demands because she was angry that I prioritized other things over hanging out with her, and all the above. She tells me she makes that sacrifice all the time for me but I reminded her that I did not ask of her to do this and it was her choice, so I am not going to feel guilty because she feels I should do the same.

Suddenly my parents' relationship comes to mind cuz this is some shit my dad would say to my mom in their shitty marriage, so I guess he did have some solidity. As much as I don't want to be like him, sometimes I see his face in the mirror and I've accepted that some aspects of his personality are stuck with me, but I can use them to my advantage because they're actually good for me in the long run.

Unlike him though I will never sign a marriage contract and get stuck to a family I never wanted.

_________________
"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:35 pm
Posts: 773
Quote:
Anywho, I reminded her of the initial terms and agreement to our relationship and told her that I will not cater to her demands as they're unreasonable and it's fundamentally wrong to ask me to change my personality to please someone else
This hit hard. Beautiful post and an excellent example of what we all should be doing. Awesome.

_________________
Take it easy, man. But take it.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:04 am
Posts: 465
Location: Amurrka
Alchemist wrote:
I have a feeling she doesn't completely believe what I said and will test me further on it.

PT you're right, she's tried to guilt trip me into these demands because she was angry that I prioritized other things over hanging out with her, and all the above. She tells me she makes that sacrifice all the time for me but I reminded her that I did not ask of her to do this and it was her choice, so I am not going to feel guilty because she feels I should do the same.

Suddenly my parents' relationship comes to mind cuz this is some shit my dad would say to my mom in their shitty marriage, so I guess he did have some solidity. As much as I don't want to be like him, sometimes I see his face in the mirror and I've accepted that some aspects of his personality are stuck with me, but I can use them to my advantage because they're actually good for me in the long run.

Unlike him though I will never sign a marriage contract and get stuck to a family I never wanted.
Man gets the shit end of the stick when it comes to marriage. I can't think of a single benefit that a men get out of the whole thing. If there are any benefits, they are far outweighed by all the shit that comes with marriage.

Anyway, this bitch is just doing the typical female manipulation shit.

Do not give in.

Damn right she she will test you again. She likely isn't used to not getting things her way.

Watch her attraction for you grow as her compliance goes up. The more tests you pass, the more compliance you'll get.

Women never stop testing. You may have the upper hand at the moment, but she will always be looking for flaws in your integrity and for leaks in your roof.

This is one of the thing about women that I really hate. They want you to fail on a personal. They wait for it and relish in it.

Talk about sleeping with the enemy.

Edit: Speaking of which, you should probably sex her some more. A few orgasms will shut a woman up right quick.

_________________
“I learned this, at least, by my experiment; that if one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. . . ."

-Thoreau's Walden


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:14 am
Posts: 1884
I do plenty. :lol:

My attitude towards tests has changed, especially with this recent one, I kinda look forward to the next sparring session. :twisted:

_________________
"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
Alchemist wrote:
I do plenty. :lol:

My attitude towards tests has changed, especially with this recent one, I kinda look forward to the next sparring session. :twisted:
Beautiful. :cry:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:37 am
Posts: 531
The Pokemon Trainer wrote:
Women never stop testing. You may have the upper hand at the moment, but she will always be looking for flaws in your integrity and for leaks in your roof.

This is one of the thing about women that I really hate. They want you to fail on a personal. They wait for it and relish in it.

Talk about sleeping with the enemy.

Edit: Speaking of which, you should probably sex her some more. A few orgasms will shut a woman up right quick.
exactly. i am just fed up. Right now my attitude is like "my way or highway". I said goodby to this young girl from sauna, she started to be manipulative etc. I became to lazy to even bother to listen her explanations etc. I told her once I don't like it, we went shopping few days ago and she started acting bitchy. I just took my beer from the basket and went to the queue. I really liked her face expression when she was standing there in the middle not knowing what has happened. Two things happened, exactly as I expected:
Phase one - angry bitchy text messages
Phase two - asking for forgiveness.
Funny thing I get more kick from seeing that bitch being defeated by her own game than from screwing her. And no way I am going back to her. I am just feeling stupid remembring how many times i fell for their shit before.

_________________
Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
rekieter wrote:
The Pokemon Trainer wrote:
Women never stop testing. You may have the upper hand at the moment, but she will always be looking for flaws in your integrity and for leaks in your roof.

This is one of the thing about women that I really hate. They want you to fail on a personal. They wait for it and relish in it.

Talk about sleeping with the enemy.

Edit: Speaking of which, you should probably sex her some more. A few orgasms will shut a woman up right quick.
exactly. i am just fed up. Right now my attitude is like "my way or highway". I said goodby to this young girl from sauna, she started to be manipulative etc. I became to lazy to even bother to listen her explanations etc. I told her once I don't like it, we went shopping few days ago and she started acting bitchy. I just took my beer from the basket and went to the queue. I really liked her face expression when she was standing there in the middle not knowing what has happened. Two things happened, exactly as I expected:
Phase one - angry bitchy text messages
Phase two - asking for forgiveness.
Funny thing I get more kick from seeing that bitch being defeated by her own game than from screwing her. And no way I am going back to her. I am just feeling stupid remembring how many times i fell for their shit before.
Isn't it wonderful? So simple yet so...EFFECTIVE. :twisted:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:37 am
Posts: 531
Totally agree. And finally I found something better than sex, that helped me to get rid of my addiction:)

BTW i am still struggling to find a way that always will keep them coming back. I know clout/front etc. but I am working on it on more practical level.

BTW Kidd have you encountered a woman that is so embded in the matrix that finds this kind of behaviour appalling rather than attractive? I was wondering if some of them can ignore their biology just because it is easier to get things from a trick? how do u deal with this kind of a woman?

_________________
Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:35 pm
Posts: 773
rekieter wrote:
how do u deal with this kind of a woman?
You dont

_________________
Take it easy, man. But take it.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
Quote:
BTW Kidd have you encountered a woman that is so embded in the matrix that finds this kind of behaviour appalling rather than attractive? I was wondering if some of them can ignore their biology just because it is easier to get things from a trick? how do u deal with this kind of a woman?
...I don't. 8-)

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:37 am
Posts: 531
hehe that's what I expected:) thanks guys

_________________
Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:14 am
Posts: 1884
Rekieter, there are far better things in life than sex, too much of it becomes mundane.

Don't worry about them coming back, if they leave, let them.

_________________
"Simply put, you being in her life is a BLESSING. Her wronging you in any way is her own self-inflicted CURSE, and if she does wrong you, then let the punishment fit the crime. Her life will absolutely SUCK without you."


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:37 am
Posts: 531
Alchemist wrote:
Rekieter, there are far better things in life than sex, too much of it becomes mundane.

Don't worry about them coming back, if they leave, let them.
What else can I do? chasing them only makes things worse.




Regarding sex - seriously, I had problems with it. Now it is much better. What i focus now on is building rock solid foundation so i don't have to worry about money/health etc ever again. Before I had problems with it too, so I started a celibacy period lol during which i substituted it with porn. I don't have to add that results were catastrophic.

_________________
Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:13 pm 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:08 pm
Posts: 3342
Location: UK
Alchemist wrote:
she asked me if I would stay like this even if it would jeopardize everything?

I told her yes.

I thought she would leave but she started getting more affectionate.
^^THIS!!!!

_________________
In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:00 pm
Posts: 1675
Quote:
-She wants me to say "I love you", which I do sometimes, but only in response to her saying it. I would not feel comfortable doing that and we all know what happens when we switch roles, so fuck that lol.
I SERIOUSLY ask this question :
Wouldn't it be better if you tell her you love her IF YOU LOVE HER, and WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT (like when she acted so good for you than you say " I love you when you ...").

Next time she tells you she loves you, say 'Thanks'. :mrgreen:

Quote:
These are things she says I'm 'supposed to do anyways', which made me think for a second. I don't do typical boyfriend shit like buying flowers and candy, it's been over a year now and I have not done that once, if I offer a gift (only her birthday, Christmas and anniversary) it has to be useful and lasting, unlike flowers.
Same as above for me, I offer only when I feel like it.

Anyone please comment on the thread I just created : http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2858
Quote:
Anywho, I reminded her of the initial terms and agreement to our relationship and told her that I will not cater to her demands as they're unreasonable and it's fundamentally wrong to ask me to change my personality to please someone else, then she asked me if I would stay like this even if it would jeopardize everything? and I told her yes. I thought she would leave but she started getting more affectionate. I really like this girl but if she wants to bounce I would accept it and let her go and not look back, I've wasted too much time in my past pining over women that changed their mind.
GOLD
The Kidd!! wrote:
Alchemist wrote:
I do plenty. :lol:

My attitude towards tests has changed, especially with this recent one, I kinda look forward to the next sparring session. :twisted:
Beautiful. :cry:
Yes, so much for CONFIRMATION :twisted:

_________________
"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:33 am
Posts: 1845
Location: Czech Republic
GoldenBoy wrote:
Next time she tells you she loves you, say 'Thanks'. :mrgreen:
I told couple girls "I love myself too :) " :lol:


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 02, 2010 6:49 am
Posts: 5112
...or just say, 'I love YouTube!' reaaaaaallllllly FAST! :mrgreen:

_________________
EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING. :ugeek:

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 36 posts ]  Go to page 1 2 »

All times are UTC+01:00


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to: 

cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited