Natural Freedom

Alright so anyone new here and has been plugged into the social matrix for too long here are some recommended books, reading them will help you to better grasp the stuff we talk about here...
some of it might piss you off at first but it will pass

I also advise to read All the comments\replies on the threads because there were questions and answers about the books and also insights...

Start with 'The Manipulated Man' by Esther Vilar:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1288

then: 'The Polygamous Sex' by Esther Vilar:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1528

The Great Female Con by Andey Randead:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1388

'Anatomy of female power: A masculinist dissection of matriarchy' by Chinweizu:

http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... 943#p27943

another recommended thread in regards to this topic:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1663

If you need help in getting the books contact our book keeper: Dali

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Another thread about that ? See :

What Books/Info have helped YOU the most with your Game? : http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3669

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, from Master Grinus :
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... 529#p27390

And you forgot probably the most important book of all (yes, reading it again ) :
Oleg Novoselov - Women a manual for men :
http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopi ... =22&t=3080

This book is the most complete and touching the most 'matrixes' of all. It's so dense that I'm still wondering how to make a decent review without quoting more than half of the book ...

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"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler

Simple, merely say: Must read this book, cannot adequately give a review without posting the whole book.

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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject.He keeps chiseling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Perfection is not when there is no more to add,but no more to take away.

I'll take it

Am still taking quotes, will see how I use them.

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"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler

thanks for the heads up, I didn't see Grinus's post about the books.
I'll organize this
I didn't read Oleg Novoselov's book yet....
was not an organized thread

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Sometimes you are too organized for your own good.

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EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING.

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!

yea, that's me

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

The one by Oleg is interesting, and thankfully not written in boring academic/intellectual prose. I don't think it'll provide anything new for you though, but I suppose you'll be the judge of that

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All is more simple than you make it.

So, I've just finished Oleg's book.

Hmmm, well it's not for the faint of heart. What it does brilliantly is to reverse engineer human instinct and distill it in such a simple way that every action can be easily understood - you just have to view it from a bio-evolutionary perspective. However, it portrays mankind(especially Women) in a disastrous light; essentially mercenaries, nothing more. Infact...less. Androids, essentially, fulfilling evolutionary obligations - the purpose being the dominance of the most superior genetic material. But what's the endgame?

Everything that comes out of a Woman's mouth is a programme whose sole directive is to source the best genetic material and pro-create. Love is a 'switch' that turns on and off depending on the man fulfilling her criteria. Even if you are a strong male, there's no chance of finding an enduring and stable relationship with a Woman because her inability to dominate you will see her find someone she can manipulate. Relationships are nothing more than a sequence of tests to your suitability for a Woman. You have to be perennially on your toes just to keep her on a tight leash. It's a very chilling situation.

To take it to heart would mean a life of misanthropy. It's important to be aware but for the love of everything good in this world, don't make it some sort of Bible. Believe that there is more to a person than this bullshit. Nonetheless, I'd say that it is a very important book, specifically to a newcomer or just someone who wants to gain a more succinct understanding of social dynamics(it's not pretty, and the rabbit hole just keeps on going)

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All is more simple than you make it.

Thanks man. so basically he paints a very dark picture ha?

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"a sniper is the worst romancer, he never makes the first move"

Less dark that Manipulated Man, I'd say.

Rolan - I think you may have taken this book differently than I did.

I didn't see it as him saying that women are forced to do anything based on their "programming." Rather its just a motivation, which like other motivations can be acted on or not. I took it much more as: "they have this programming, and it is one of the motivations a woman will have, and if the woman chooses to listen to it, here's what she's likely to do."

I don't think he ever said that women are androids that only listen to their bio-evoloutionary programming and are compelled by it 100% - that seems to me to be something you interpreted.

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"The society gives you a map; I give you only freedom. The society gives you character, I give you only consciousness. The society teaches you to live a conformist life ... I give you an invitation to go on an adventure." - Osho

And that's one of the many situations you encounter with reviews...
Projections and beliefs one have onto the book that is the reviewing material. Also there is no objectivity in a review of a social and biological nature, for me there are just speculative behavioral instances, that many people can agree based on personal experiences and hardcore observations.

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GMST

No mollycoddling.

Soundz awesome.

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Here's my position on this stuff.

How many times did Neo need to hear about the Matrix to accept it was real? Better yet, how many different ways did he need to hear about it to know it was real? He got the Duracell spiel ONCE...and no further interpretations were necessary.

Then what happened? Did he keep on questioning it? Did he go all redundantly ad nauseam about it? NO!

He TOOK ACTION. He began EXPERIMENTING within the environment. He stopped looking for more explanations and clarifications and began focusing on finding glitches, advantages and SOLUTIONS. THAT...is how I feel the natural (freedom) progression of things should be.

Some people get stuck in this hamster wheel of information...they lose themselves in trying to understand something completely from as many angles that possibly exist. This is usually counterproductive because if you do something long enough it becomes a HABIT. So then you become all knowing with no practical application. All show and no go.

I'm all for knowing what you're dealing with, fellas...but seriously...how many different ways are you gonna need to hear/see/read it to finally accept it and get to the PROBLEM SOLVING PART?

Just think about it...and I'm saying this sincerely as fuck.

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EVERYTHING in life is conditional...EVERYTHING.

Pimposophy Revisited is now finally available on Amazon in all territories!

Can I get an amen?!

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"The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man. Even so, who can know him."

@ Sniper

Read it and see for yourself

@ Dali

Of course my reaction to it is subjective. I'm not sure that it's even possible to be objective about anything we say and do. Each to their own.

@ Meraki

The whole essence of the book is that our biological, evolutionary programming determines our actions to a VERY large, probably unanimous degree. It's not something we, Man or Women, can 'choose' to follow or abide by. It's always there, whether we are aware of it or not. Take Women and babies for instance; It's my belief that a Women's primary directive in their life is to pro-create and harvest a baby. If they don't manage to do it, their gene pool is erased from the planet, and they will 'literally' feel like they have failed their purpose. I'm sure this impulse is just as strong in us aswell, although I can't say I want to father a kiddie right now in ANY way. As an aside, I was thinking about the absentee father phenomenon - I'm not sure it's such an unnatural occurrence tbh. I think it may be a biological 'nudge' for men to go and continue spreading their seed around a variety of other broads. Afterall, when we lived more communally, it was generally considered the communities roles to raise children together, rather than Husband+Wife as the sole carers.

Anyway, you say it's a motivation, I say it's a biological blueprint which no measure of intellect and awareness can allow you to escape. That's not to say you have to father a child to be 'happy' or whatever word you care for, but the impulse will be there and if not abided by, may lead to you feeling a lack later in life. The issue is largely that our society has changed so much that our impulses are incongruent with our environment, which is to say people generally express those impulses in a.....strange way. Our environment is artificial, something I have always felt was undeniable, but could never give clarity too until the last 5yrs or so.

@ Kidd

I agree 100% that, which is why this is the last book I'm reading on the subject, although I've actually not read most of the books recommended here.

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All is more simple than you make it.

From the book p11 : This is why knowledge is power ...


@Kidd : He wanted to know it with all his heart, he was desperate to find it. And he was SHOWN the matrix. That's got to count as a much bigger imprint than just reading books, more so if readers just want to entertain themselves...
The way he could walk confidently in the matrix and beat it is that he found his purpose, and had all the tools he needed at his disposal (be it really fast training programs, weapons, and the confidence, courage, will ... and no more day to day life)

That's got to be different with people struggling with meaningless day to day lives, coz they impersonate not only Neo, but also Morpheus (pushing themselves, believing in themselves), Trinity (loving themselves) ... having to watch out for inner Cypher, ...

This is where biographies like pimp, your examples, and examples from the books come in (IMO), as opposed to just theories. Real-life results (even if not my own) trigger the situations / questioning / reasoning in my mind, the same way I could have lived it.
Plus examples from my own life who fit, or who don't fit but now I know why thanks to your help.
I'll +1 Rolan :
I agree 100% that, which is why this is the last book I'm reading on the subject, although I've actually not read most of the books recommended here.

It's the only book on the subject I read since Chinweizu, so one year exactly. (I don't think it's too much.). AND THE LAST ONE. I will read this one again and again. I might only have waited for this book to come ...

Plus, between reading the same book (Pimp comes in mind for you, or 21C SAP for Slim Titan, or Pimposophies) over and over, and reading 5-6 books from 4 authors, I'll take the latter without a doubt. I'm quite infidel it seems .... I like new acquaintances, watching the full spectrum ... even though Oleg really is the best book ever (there I said it) !!! I finally found a book that completely fits me.

I figure I'm not the one targeted (the shoe fits only a little bit, not all the way), but still wanted to answer out of respect. And hopefully good insights.

Btw, that's not the thread to put your Oleg reviews

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"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler

@ Dali
Projections and beliefs ?

I once heard Stromae (belgian singer) say that his lyrcis were precise, concise, with chosen words, so that there could be no misunderstandings, no double senses ...

This book is the same for me. IT IS MAINLY WRITTEN IN A VERY CLEAR STYLE.

So subjectivity occurs only by overlooking some CLEAR QUOTES, and focusing on the less obvious ones.
I didn't interpret his words like that at all.

Here's the clearest, most self-explanatory view on women from the book :
p82 : Bolded part :
p 36 :

p127 : See my first quote (NO MISANTHROPY !!!)
It is the less emotionally charged book on the subject (as opposed to Vilar's wrath against her own gender, Chinweizu's one on african practices like clitoridectomy ...)

I'll edit your phrase : Believe that there is more to THE BOOK than WHAT YOU THINK NOW.

See ya .

PS : I realise it's not the thread, but still answered it here ...

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"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn."
Alvin Toffler

Preach! (though I think this might a procrastination like phase that many people go through, including myself.)

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Take it easy, man. But take it.

Flux started a thread about work.

http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2995

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