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| Author: | TheDude [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar |
I finished reading Esther's book today. Not a bad read. She has some valid points: men's belief of power & control is nothing, but an illusion. Although men are seemingly in charge on the outside woman are behind the scenes running the show, setting the standards. I just finished it about an hour ago, so I still am disgusting it, but I will sure have some more insights in the near future. One thing in the book that I couldn't understand was when she wrote of women being "raped": Germaine Greer, for example, has enlightened readers of Playboy who might otherwise not have known that for a woman every sex act is a form of rape. Pg130 Any thoughts on this? |
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| Author: | Sniper [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:43 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
Germaine Greer, for example, has enlightened readers of Playboy who might otherwise not have known that for a woman every sex act is a form of rape. Pg130
Yea I would also like to know what this means Any thoughts on this? 
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| Author: | Resonance [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:06 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
Germaine Greer, for example, has enlightened readers of Playboy who might otherwise not have known that for a woman every sex act is a form of rape. Pg130
I think even though women enjoy sex if your not that guy who they would enjoy sex with they would basically call it rape.Any thoughts on this? For example at my job a co worker and her client were training and 2 guys were talking about how to use a piece of equipment. Both guys as a joke were saying maybe is something to give head with by a female. Both women were disgusted and offended and decided to tell the head P.T. Director about it. To me I thought they were acting like spoiled brats that just wanted to start drama, but anyway that's my opinion |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:39 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
I think even though women enjoy sex if your not that guy who they would enjoy sex with they would basically call it rape.
Basically this. If a woman is with you expressly because of what you have not because of who you are, she has sex with you out of OBLIGATION, not DESIRE. I personally think that rape is too strong a word for it, because the sex is consensual...if I had to, I would term it more as "Obligatory Sex" or something of that nature. Rape means that a person is being sexually violated against their will. If a conniving woman is sleeping with you hopefully get you whipped and gain access to the keys of your castle, she is still turned on during sex...but it it is not YOU that's turning her on...it's what she is hoping to get out of the deal. I am a lot like that myself that's how I know...ever since I've solidified in this mindset I have, I have a problem fucking with a chick that can only offer me pussy...if that's all she's bringing to the table, I really don't care HOW fine she is...and should I decide to "just have some fun because I can", I almost always end up regretting the encounter because I just feel like I'm "wasting dick" the whole time I'm doing it.  I'm sure 'Grinus can relate to that. 
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| Author: | Sniper [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:09 pm ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | ||
I think even though women enjoy sex if your not that guy who they would enjoy sex with they would basically call it rape.
Basically this. If a woman is with you expressly because of what you have not because of who you are, she has sex with you out of OBLIGATION, not DESIRE. I personally think that rape is too strong a word for it, because the sex is consensual...if I had to, I would term it more as "Obligatory Sex" or something of that nature. Rape means that a person is being sexually violated against their will. If a conniving woman is sleeping with you hopefully get you whipped and gain access to the keys of your castle, she is still turned on during sex...but it it is not YOU that's turning her on...it's what she is hoping to get out of the deal. what about a woman that marries a guy just for his money (or other status he has) and doesn't have sex on the side? is she never going to really enjoy sex? I don't get it man.... |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:12 pm ] | |||
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |||
I think even though women enjoy sex if your not that guy who they would enjoy sex with they would basically call it rape.
Basically this. If a woman is with you expressly because of what you have not because of who you are, she has sex with you out of OBLIGATION, not DESIRE. I personally think that rape is too strong a word for it, because the sex is consensual...if I had to, I would term it more as "Obligatory Sex" or something of that nature. Rape means that a person is being sexually violated against their will. If a conniving woman is sleeping with you hopefully get you whipped and gain access to the keys of your castle, she is still turned on during sex...but it it is not YOU that's turning her on...it's what she is hoping to get out of the deal. what about a woman that marries a guy just for his money (or other status he has) and doesn't have sex on the side? is she never going to really enjoy sex? I don't get it man.... ...and if not, I GUARANTEE she has an impressive collection of sex toys. ...and it's not that they don't enjoy sex...they just enjoy money and power MORE. 
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| Author: | Sniper [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:20 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
How do YOU know she's not having sex on the side?
Oh I see. guess the pill got stuck in me ...and if not, I GUARANTEE she has an impressive collection of sex toys. ...and it's not that they don't enjoy sex...they just enjoy money and power MORE.
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| Author: | TheDude [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:46 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
How do YOU know she's not having sex on the side? ...and if not, I GUARANTEE she has an impressive collection of sex toys. ...and it's not that they don't enjoy sex...they just enjoy money and power MORE. Kidd you talked about a women will have sex with you out of Desire or Obligation. For a her to desire you do you need to be your best self? |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:27 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
So, Esther writing EVERY sex act is a form of OBLIGATION was a bit too extreme?
I think so. Women like to fuck even MORE than men do. Maybe she is correct tho in the context she was using it in...I haven't read that book so I can't say for sure. But if she meant that in the sense that all sex with a man they are trying to CONTROL, OWN, MANIPULATE and DOMINATE, then no, it wasn't too extreme...it was dead on. Kidd you talked about a women will have sex with you out of Desire or Obligation. For a her to desire you do you need to be your best self? You don't NEED to do ANYTHING for a woman to desire you. Enabling her to ACT on her desire for you is another matter entirely.
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| Author: | rant [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:25 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
One thing in the book that I couldn't understand was when she wrote of women being "raped": Germaine Greer, for example, has enlightened readers of Playboy who might otherwise not have known that for a woman every sex act is a form of rape. Pg130 Any thoughts on this? |
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| Author: | peregrinus [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:11 pm ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
Germaine Greer, for example, has enlightened readers of Playboy who might otherwise not have known that for a woman every sex act is a form of rape. Pg130 She has since gone back on this statement. Along with many others she made at the time.As always there is an element of truth in the statement. She was a radical feminist at the time remember. |
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| Author: | Sniper [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar |
so let's switch 'rape' to "Obligatory Sex" which means that the woman doesn't enjoy it - like a hooker doesn't enjoy sex with most of her clients (and they don't 'rape' her).... correct me if I'm wrong.... |
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| Author: | peregrinus [ Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:50 pm ] | |||||
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Basically this. If a woman is with you expressly because of what you have not because of who you are, she has sex with you out of OBLIGATION, not DESIRE. I personally think that rape is too strong a word for it, because the sex is consensual...if I had to, I would term it more as "Obligatory Sex" or something of that nature. Rape means that a person is being sexually violated against their will. Very much so.
So, Esther writing EVERY sex act is a form of OBLIGATION was a bit too extreme? Maybe she is correct tho in the context she was using it in...But if she meant that in the sense that all sex with a man they are trying to CONTROL, OWN, MANIPULATE and DOMINATE, then no, it wasn't too extreme...it was dead on.
so let's switch 'rape' to "Obligatory Sex"
She words it wrong. As is said 'obligatory sex' rather than rape... however the woman creates the obligation then blames the man for it.... ^^ This is the part that men need to see. --
I have a problem fucking with a chick that can only offer me pussy...if that's all she's bringing to the table, I really don't care HOW fine she is...and should I decide to "just have some fun because I can", I almost always end up regretting the encounter because I just feel like I'm "wasting dick" the whole time I'm doing it. Oh I can, so much..
I'm sure 'Grinus can relate to that. |
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| Author: | The Kidd!! [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar |
Women will find a way to enjoy it...even if they have to fantasize about being with me to do so. 
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| Author: | Sniper [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:49 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
however the woman creates the obligation then blames the man for it....
yes defiantly esp. with the modern media who almost always puts the women as victims and the guys as evil...^^ This is the part that men need to see. it's like women are not held responsible for their choices - it's almost always somehow the man's fault. |
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| Author: | Scarf [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:09 am ] | |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | |
She has since gone back on this statement. Along with many others she made at the time.
I tried very hard finding the article on this, but it has disappeared off the internet. Here is however a small article from The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/na ... 5835358089 I'm just astonished why anybody would care what Germaine Greer has to say about anything at all. |
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| Author: | Sniper [ Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar |
Germaine Greer used to be a radical feminist in the 60's and 70's but later she admitted that feminism got it all wrong and she said that she is sorry she ever took part in it (in feminism).... I had a link somewhere but I lost it. anyway the point is: a lot of the so called radical feminists later realized that feminism as a movement to 'empower women' has failed because they did it wrong... |
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| Author: | TheDude [ Wed May 02, 2012 4:15 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: The Polygamous Sex by Esther Vilar | ||
So, Esther writing EVERY sex act is a form of OBLIGATION was a bit too extreme?
I think so. Women like to fuck even MORE than men do. Maybe she is correct tho in the context she was using it in...I haven't read that book so I can't say for sure. But if she meant that in the sense that all sex with a man they are trying to CONTROL, OWN, MANIPULATE and DOMINATE, then no, it wasn't too extreme...it was dead on. Kidd you talked about a women will have sex with you out of Desire or Obligation. For a her to desire you do you need to be your best self? You don't NEED to do ANYTHING for a woman to desire you. Enabling her to ACT on her desire for you is another matter entirely. |
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