Damn you both, I am typing up a post and you both post things that cause me to add more to it.. see bottom for additions
they WILL feel physical attraction up front...but that doesn't mean that they necessarily will be aware of it. Or, even if they ARE aware of it...that doesn't mean that they are going to let YOU know that...which is why observation of subconscious subtleties is so important
For Sniper, I would really suggest re-reading the associated thread you started 'Leading by Example' again also. http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=251
In that thread I posted this
Sometimes all it takes is for them to be clear of things that were distracting them, but while they are distracted it is like they are lying to themselves (to you), however when I have asked them they really seem unaware of it until later, it is really like they have not noticed then suddenly this light lights in their body/mind.
The above is them not being consciously aware of it. subconsciously it is there, it has not made its way to the surface, it has been repressed for some reason - her mind, her current life situation, her upbringing, any number of reasons.
Then we have the situation when it has been made conscious, sometimes they will feel it and be aware of it yet will also hide it from others, including you and/or their friends. There are a whole heap of reasons why, none of which will make any sense to you but which do to her, at the time. She can also forcefully suppress it consciously also for a number of reasons.
(This reminds me of another thread posting, umm where is it, ah - http://www.naturalfreedom.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=163
The really relevant part is here:
I have one that has been circling for about 6-9 months at the moment, she literally cannot talk around me, falls to pieces, her friends almost have to carry her off (and they do). I have spoken to her a few times, many months go, she just freezes and goes like a lost little girl. I have now left that alone for the time being, purely floating out a few non verbals a night now. Whenever I am in the place I run into her at, my friends always comment on her proximity to me, however she is not at the point of leaving her comfort zone - I can see her cling to it metaphorically. She will be close, but not close enough, she has a range that she sticks within. Quite interesting and curious to watch.
(This is a mature woman who runs her own business, successful and is very much socially the center of her group - see her around other people and no problem, around me she just acts like a lost girl)
Thing is , as Kidd says, under the surface we both know what is going on. We both know what will happen when she admits it to herself, lets go of her comfort blanket and engages with me. The effect is very powerful to see and experience and very hard to deny.
One of her friends told me one night (when she was not there) that the woman in question cannot talk to me as she knows she will be sunk and it will be over. That scares her, not because it will hurt her but because she has felt that before and knows how it feels and what an effect it will have on her.
She told my friend as well that, and I quote, "He makes me feel vulnerable, and I don't like that because I've been hurt so many times." Like you said, she is scared shitless of me, and does whatever she can to try to avoid the inevitable...even if that means getting drunk and fucking her ex.
Both the above quotes are times when women try to hide it, mine freezing was her trying to hide it and failing..
They are not yours to worry about, let them go, when she is ready she will realise it. As it bubbles to the surface it will be similar to a volcano erupting.
Ok I read it again.
yea now it makes more sense.
sometimes you don't want to listen to what they 'say' because they might be attracted to you on the subconscious level and they are not aware of it...
Honestly, I NEVER
listen to what they say. Talking is just for background noise and distraction while I counter her subconscious communication...CONSCIOUSLY. Once you get that down, the sky is the limit.
Right, having a day of memories, car is in the shop so am at home today, too much time on the internet.. Anyway this reminded me of a conversation I had via email with you Shay a while ago, let me try to dig it up. ok here it is, found it, explaining a situation I had at the time:
Went to the theatre last night, was invited by two more mature women I know and thought “why not, haven’t been in ages”.
While sitting in the bar before the show, was observing the women, just soaking them up (including the two I was with), after about 5 minutes I noticed the noise increasing dramatically, really noticeable increase. A fair portion of the women in the bar were competing for attention, not with what they were saying but by their actions and volume.
I was mentally filtering out the words, not listening to them at all, I think you will understand this. I was purely focused on the level of energy coming out in their actions and voices – the voices kept going higher and higher in energy and volume till the whole bar was this mass of voices competing. You could hardly hear yourself think.
I ended up surrounded by older women where I was sitting, had this really sweet 80yr old woman and her friend come and push their way in to sit next to me at some point (she looked as though she would have been a stunner when younger and was SO natural, made my heart melt when I looked into her eyes). She just sat there staring at me in amazement.
She started talking across me to the two I was with, asking them about me. I was observing but not taking part and she seemed to like this from her reactions.
At this point a number of the women who were standing around us (the bar was crammed, small bar for theater) turned to face us and continued facing us, the volume went up very much at this point in the bar. The bar was practically vibrating with energy.
We ended up with no men within short range, only women.
Anyway, this goes on for about 30 minutes, till we are called into the theater for the show, so we get up and I say goodbye to the two old women and go with the two I am with to get seated. For some reason I ended up on the end of the three when we sat down and guess who has the seat next to me.. This sweet little woman, she spent the entire performance nestled against my arm, in a way that she was very comfortable.
Half time break comes (intermission) and we head down to the bar for a drink, same situation almost happens again, but this time a group of young girls (19-20 ish) are within about 10 feet of us and then sit down right in front of us at the table as soon as we pick a table. They spent the whole intermission talking to the two I was with and the two older women (who had also joined us).
I was not dragged into the conversation and was observing them all, not the words but the energy. They were quizzing the other women about me, basically the whole conversation during the 20 minute break was about me but did not include me – they were watching my reactions to what they said and testing me verbally and indirectly. The more this went on the more their energy rose it was like watching them get pumped up (if you get what I mean).
The younger ones were really rising in energy and their natural side was coming out more and more during the break as they talked to the 4 women now surrounding me. It was lovely to watch.
Then we got called back in for part2.