KIDD if you receive any double PM's, disregard. I have internet trouble.

anyway,

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are you saying that me not raising her value by trying to holler at her, and she giving me attention wasn't subtle Jockin?

I really am missing something and do need to learn some more.
I see what you are saying that "I "was a way out, but what am I missing?

I do see where this ties in as an EGO PROBLEM.

she does love the attention, but she didn't like who she was getting it from, so why did she require mine.

She didn't start BLATANTLY jocking you until she was surrounded by unwanted attention...she was hoping that by giving you said attention, you might step in and 'save' her. Sir, that was not jocking....

I'll admit that your point seems/is Valid.
I do admit that females do like to play games to see if they can control Men.

so here is the question now, maybe you anticipated it, may be you didn't.

why did she try or or better yet, why did she use me as the scape goat?
why didn't she just continue to ignore them guys and not draw any unnecessary attention?

I see that she does love the attention, but she didn't like who she was getting it from, so why did she require mine.
I see now that she is an attention ho, now that I am guessing her age and based on the conversation the first dude was kicking to her.

if a chick gives you attention because she don't like the attention she is getting from others, think twice or trice about it.

She didn't start BLATANTLY jocking you until she was surrounded by unwanted attention...she was hoping that by giving you said attention, you might step in and 'save' her. Sir, that was not jocking....

Because it would have put you in between her and them.

Also, on the balance of things, it would have taken their attention off her, while it would have been 'about' her.

Anything bad that was likely to happen then, would happen to either you or the other guys, NOT HER!

It is a self defense mechanism, survival, pure and simple.
I could even go further and say she might have been trying to pitch you against them.
Right!

The rabbit hole goes very deep.

Oh, and good morning to you too, 'Grinus.

ALL OF THIS!

Particularly these quotes: For those in doubt, there is a BIG difference.. Particularly in the vibe that the women pick up from you in the two actions.

Really !!?

So I guess I will have to read your posts all over again

Nope...you need to spend some time observing more...so that you can see beyond the obvious...which seems to be all you are looking for if you are complaining about women not 'glancing' at you...the rabbit hole goes a LOT deeper than THAT!

To gain a little more clarity and experience it for yourself, start developing your peripheral vision

There are a handful of other "tricks" similar to this, but most chics (especially when not drunk) make it retardedly obvious they are attracted only when they think you aren't looking or paying attention
Then we could go into things mentioned elsewhere around here, like girls taking the long way to go near you, asking you the time when there's a clock right in front of them and a cell phone in their purse, getting a little too close...and on...and on. Oberservation is the real deal

I still wanna know what part of my blatantly obvious response in the first place wasn't so blatantly obvious to you.

well don't I feel dumb for being dragged into that vortex.
damn, the funny thing about it is that both You KIDD and Peregrinus both came to the same conclusion based on what I wrote. your insights are light years beyond mine. thanks both for the answers.
I will be taking some time off now to reflect.

(it is quite clear why so many of us on this forum look up to you guys, keep the flames burning)

The fact that the girl looked directly at him after being pestered by the other guys was also blatantly obvious.

He didn't notice that either.

There's perfection in the madness.

My opinion is to not take this as some sort of obvious or malicious attempt at manipulation or setting you up in competition against the other guys (and I think the kidd and peregrinus would agree)

She was just looking out for her own safety because from how you described it these guys seem a little sketchy and obviously, unwantingly to her hitting on her

I'd take it as a compliment that she saw you as a cool/normal/safe dude and was looking to you to bail her out. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do tend to interpret life events in a way that is skewed largely in my favor

well don't I feel dumb for being dragged into that vortex.
damn, the funny thing about it is that both You KIDD and Peregrinus both came to the same conclusion based on what I wrote. your insights are light years beyond mine. thanks both for the answers.
I will be taking some time off now to reflect.

(it is quite clear why so many of us on this forum look up to you guys, keep the flames burning)

Actually, I think I disagree on this one, to me she was simply looking out for her own safety/was feeling uncomfortable with the type of "attention" these dodes were giving her.

Fact is it is not a safe world out there for single, attractive females - especially when by themselves.

I wasn't there so I'm just speculating, but to me stepping in and smoothly interfering with these guys/getting them off her back to help her feel more comfortable is just a decent thing to do and being a good human being.

Here's a story to illustrate where I'm coming from though.

It's after 9pm in the downtown business district of a huge city. I step out the back of a bar to a quiet dark empty side street to smoke, wearing my professional business attire.

This smoking hot, professional business lady, dressed in a business skirt and briefcase, probably 35, rounds the corner down the block and is walking toward me. Then two creepy, bum/thugs that even I'd be nervous to find myself alone with at night come around and start whistling, going "hey baby where u goin, why don't you come with us" and other sleezy comments.

She sees me - a relatively safe looking guy-, speeds up, and then waves acting like she knows me and that I was expecting her. Quick on my feet, I go "hey, how's it going! how was work?"

She answers and comes and gives me a friendly hug, like we've known each other for years. We chat till the bums move on. She thanks me profusely, I ask if she's ok to make it home.

No jocking, no attraction, no manipulating, no setting me up against these thugs just good, normal people helping each other out, one of which happens to be drop dead gorgeous (not me )

Nothing more, nothing less

I feel that observation without attachment or expectation really helps one be in a state of listening to your gut and doing the right thing in a pinch...and getting chics

My apologies for diverting the topic at hand, but to me this is just a more exagerated example of what was going on