This is a very intresting artical I'll copy and paste the importent parts and then give my thoughts...
here is parts of what Cameron wrote (Cameron Teone- he was a part of the seduction community but now he makes fun of it and says that most Gurus are misleading guys):
This is the Forbidden article.!
This is the article you ARE NOT supposed to read! This is the article that’s going to have some Dating “Gurus” upset with me. This is the kind of stuff we are not supposed to talk about. It doesn’t sell…. It doesn’t deliver a quick fix magic bullet in a bottle you can drink overnight….My peers who sell dating advice quick-fixes will frown upon this....
Well, there are a lot of guys who seek refuge on the Internet to learn to be better with women, to learn to attract women, to have more women in their lives. There are no shortage of gurus out there trying to sell quick-fixes that’ll take you to the promised land. Granted, a lot of guys have good pointers that they are teaching. I am questioning the validity of the concepts. SOME of the concepts are good to learn.
What 90% of them fail to tell you is the advantages that they give themselves in this arena. What are those advantages?
I’d like to call it an “Edge.” Everyone presents some sort of an edge which separates him from the rest of the pack of eligible men. There is nothing wrong with this. This is not to vilify anyone. It’s only bringing attention to it so that YOU can start working on your edge....
If you’re obsessed with having really physically attractive women at any cost, then you have to increase your edge. You want to date lots of models? You’d better increase your edge by quite a bit...
So what gives one guy an edge over the other? The edge has to be something that separates from the rest of the pack on some level. It gives you some sort of ability to be distinguished. This could be something you’re born with or something you develop, cultivate, or financially acquire.
•Let’s start with the obvious first: Being very physically good looking, having a very athletic and appealing physique, being 6’5″ tall (195cm), and so forth… These can all serve as advantages.
•It could be personality or individual traits: Being a great conversationalist or storyteller, great sense of humor, being charming, being charismatic, high social intelligence,
•It could be things you worked for: Be it making lots of money, prestigious job, being a doctor/surgeon, or working jobs that are conducive to being around women, (club promoters, DJs, bouncers, even a yoga teacher).
Guys who are good at drawing women into their life have an edge that they intrinsically and inherently understand. It may be subconscious and they may not realize it. They may even be super good-looking guys who genuinely think they’re pulling some game out of their ass, but in reality, they’re living off of their physical looks. Then, after the fact, their conscious mind is rationalizing as to the reasons why. I am fairly convinced that there are men who get laid despite their antics. That meaning that what they consider “Game” is something annoying women are willing to overlook because they’re interested in them for other reasons.
Let’s look at the Seduction Community and gurus you may know, or have heard of……Let’s cut through the chase. I am going to give you real life examples of dating-teachers. I’ll explain what their edge is...
• Mystery: Erik is 6’5 inches tall, (Yes, height is an edge.) That, in and of by itself is an edge. Yes, there are plenty of tall dorks who repel women but if you have the basics down, the height quickly becomes an edge. He is also a magician, a self proclaimed “Super-Star daredevil illusionist!” He plays the status game. A very tall individual who has always played the pseudo-celeb game.
• Neil Strauss: Neil does not have physical good looks or height to his advantage. So what’s his edge? He is a writer for Rolling Stone magazine, a Rock reporter for the NY Times, best selling author. (There is nothing wrong with being a reporter for a major magazine. If you have an edge, use it. Nothing wrong with that.) Lastly, he is highly skilled in manipulation tactics, uses his social status as leverage to make people feel below him.. (This will be explained later).
• Stephen Nash. Edge: To start with, he is a well-dressed guy with a great classy presentation. His biggest edge is that he is an interesting person, great conversationalist, very smooth, has traveled various places, well-read. Very pleasant person to generally talk with. Given that, he is going to be far more interesting than the average guy for a woman to talk with. Talking with Stephen for 30 minutes will leave you with the impression that this is a guy who has experienced a lot of various things in life, worn a lot of different hats.
• Swinggcat - Another guy who is fun to hang out with; Also has a high level understanding of social dynamics, and has a good understanding of social-psychology which enables him to push people’s buttons well. He is well-read and articulate, and without going into too much details, he is able to work in sneaky angles as well. Also working in his favor is that he can be aggressive with women, willing to push the envelope. Also, well dressed, well groomed, and in good physical shape.
• Sinn - Very high level understanding of social dynamics and social nuances. Sinn understands the process on a very Micro-detail level. Getting social intricacies of circumstances is always an edge. This means knowing when to escalate, knowing when to pull, & understanding logistics. All of those things are crucial in a “Same night lay.” Not all guys are good at nightclub game. Sinn is also a good-looking dude who is athletic, and has the type of looks/presentation that can validate club girls. Nightclubs can be a tricky place and you have to understand how you come across, and truth be told, nightclub game is not for everybody. Sinn is also fun to hang out with.
• Barry Kirkey - Just to be clear, Barry doesn’t teach dating anymore, and has not done so in 3 years. Regardless, he used to teach it and he is worth mentioning because he has a very Funny, interesting persona, very fun to hang with. If you listen to his show, it becomes very apparent quickly that he is an interesting character! That’s not something you can teach, but it’s an edge that separates him from most other men.
• Steve P - possesses a very strong frame/identity; he is funny/satirical, and he is a metaphysical/Spiritual teacher. Steve is an interesting person to hang around, and he is one funny dude. Unfortunately, you don’t get to see that side of Steve when he is teaching on stage, but when you spend time with him, you’ll see he is a lot of fun. He has a very unmistaken masculine vibe, which cannot be faked. It’s not a gimmick, it’s something cultivated through life experiences. Edge: Expert Teacher in Metaphysical studies & female sexuality, super masculine vibe, really interesting person.
• Zan - Looks like a male model, charming, interesting person, has great stories of romance and fantasy. Zan is able to draw people into his reality and the way he see things. Fun and very pleasant to spend time with. If you’ve seen Zan speak, you can clearly see how he can draw people into his world and how he sees things in a very pleasant non-threatening way. Edge: Male-model looks, and charm as well as the ability to suck people into his fantasy world.
• Brent - Obvious edge: He looks like a professional male model. All he has to do is show up, chat with girls, be aloof. He is that good looking where he has to do almost nothing. He is not a relationship type of guy and he is not looking for a relationship type of woman. His edge and person match his perspective archetype. His obvious edge: Dude looks like a soap opera star and doesn’t give a shit about anything. Granted, this works well with a certain archetype of woman and that’s the kind Brent wants anyway.
• Johnny SoPorno: Interesting character and also different than the guys on the list as he self-admittedly likes women in the “Skin-Trade” or sex business, (Porn, Escorts, prostitutes, etc.) What’s his edge? Social dominances over his target demographic. He talks nonstop, no one can get a word in edgewise when he is around, and more importantly, he is involved with the porn industry. Being in the porn business, he can dangle a career upgrade to women in the selling-sex business, (Porn, prostitution, escorts, etc.) These are the type of women he desires and he can leverage his position in the industry to draw them in. (Remember, it’s important to know what archetype of woman you WANT!)......
• David DeAngelo: He is not the type of man to cold-approach women, yet I threw him in because he is vastly different that all of the aforementioned men (and he is a dating ”Guru” after all). How is he different? He has zero fun factor and he has zero charisma. Yes, he may be one of the most boring humanoids on the planet to spend time with in person. However, being a decent looking man as well as a brilliant marketer who is worth tens of millions of dollars, owning a Ferrari and entire Apartment complexes and businesses goes a long way in bringing forgiveness to lack of personality. Edge: Smart dude, very successful entrepreneur worth 10s of millions of dollars, decent looking.
What does this mean to you? How can YOU achieve consistent results? It’s to encourage you to do 2 things:
1. Handle the Foundational Skills....
2. Work on cultivating your niche edge....
now once again this is something 'The Kidd' talked about before he even knew about the seduction community. Build yourself up in all areas, find the qualities that make you unique and develop them.
And as far as other teachers: it's good to listen to some of them. Some of them do have some interesting things to say, but when you Listen to these teachers take a look at who's talking...
Keep in mind that their success doesn't come just from 'techniques'.
for the full artical by Cameron Teone go here:
http://attractwomenanywhere.com/blog/20 ... ge-do-you/
Edit: this is my own insights about David X since I saw all of his seminars and he is worth mentioning cause he has been around for a long time and still a very popular teacher after all...
David X: possesses a very strong masculine vibe due to his life experience.
He was a Biker and hanging out with Biker gangs can help to develope that (as well as other life experiences he had).
He learned about the real nature of women from a young age and that's why he is able to see women for what they are and was not affected by the social conditioning of the matrix. He has a sense of humor and great story telling abilities. Later in life he had his own company and was doing great financially.
Edge: very strong masculine vibe, sense of humor, great story telling abilities, doing great financially.